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Old January 7th, 2011, 10:15 AM   #1
 
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P345 is frustrating

A few weeks ago, I purchased a LNIB P345. It has been a very frustrating experience.

The double action trigger pull was really heavy so I replaced the hammer spring with a Wolff 19#. Trigger pull is now lighter, but still much heavier than I think it should be.

The magazine would not drop free; I had to manually pull it out. To correct this, I decided to remove the magazine safety. unfortunately, when moving the rear sight, it caught the Firing Pin Block Plunger and sheared it off. I ordered a replacement from Ruger on Christmas day. I got an email that they shipped it day before yesterday. Right now the pistol is in pieces waiting.

The last round in each magazine was failing to feed properly. According to another thread on this forum, that is a problem with design of the magazine followers and can be corrected by replacing the follower and spring with a kit from Wilson Combat. I bought the kit (four actually) from Brownells and installed them this morning. Imagine my surprise when I found that I can't even push the rounds out of the magazine with my thumb! Now I have found a thread which says the little dimples at the top rear of the magazine body are the culprits and need to be filed.

Is there no end? At this point I have about reached the conclusion that I would have saved a lot of money and grief if I had bought an S&W M&P even though the initial cost would have been higher.

Thanks for letting me rant; I just needed to vent a little steam.



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Old January 7th, 2011, 11:07 AM   #2
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A few weeks ago, I purchased a LNIB P345. It has been a very frustrating experience. The double action trigger pull was really heavy so I replaced the hammer spring with a Wolff 19#. Trigger pull is now lighter, but still much heavier than I think it should be.
Woodlark ... I'm sorry to hear of your continuing frustration with your P345. I may be wrong, but the issue here with the trigger pull (even with the 19# hammer spring) may be a slight bit of unrealistic expectations. The factory specs for P-Series pistols is 9 - 15 pounds for the DA trigger & 4 - 7 pounds for the SA trigger (My P345 clocks in at 10 & 5 respectively). While that isn't bad from my perspective, it's no where close to the sweet 3.5# trigger on my loaded Springfield 1911 (nor would I expect it to be).

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The last round in each magazine was failing to feed properly. According to another thread on this forum, that is a problem with design of the magazine followers and can be corrected by replacing the follower and spring with a kit from Wilson Combat. I bought the kit (four actually) from Brownells and installed them this morning. Imagine my surprise when I found that I can't even push the rounds out of the magazine with my thumb! Now I have found a thread which says the little dimples at the top rear of the magazine body are the culprits and need to be filed.
As I suggested in your original thread, your last round feeding issue may have simply been an ammo issue. While it's only one man's opinion, I would recommend putting your magazines back to the original condition and test a different ammo to see if it resolves the issue before you rebuild your magazines and begin filing the followers (eliminate one variable at a time starting with the simple things first).

Good luck and let us know what you ultimately find.
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Is there no end? At this point I have about reached the conclusion that I would have saved a lot of money and grief if I had bought an S&W M&P even though the initial cost would have been higher.
and the mag disconnect and thumb safety is optional, and the thumb safety is in the right place. I had a p345 and sold it off. I also broke my plunger trying to remove the mag disconnect. after a while I just didn't like the gun anymore.
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and the mag disconnect and thumb safety is optional, and the thumb safety is in the right place. I had a p345 and sold it off. I also broke my plunger trying to remove the mag disconnect. after a while I just didn't like the gun anymore.
I don't really object to a mag safety IF IT IS DESIGNED PROPERLY. I have several S&W third generation guns; they all have mag safeties, and they have never caused a problem of any kind.
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I don't really object to a mag safety IF IT IS DESIGNED PROPERLY. I have several S&W third generation guns; they all have mag safeties, and they have never caused a problem of any kind.
I dunno, I just really prefer to keep my guns as simple as absolutely possible. as long as the gun won't go bang without me pressing the trigger that's all I need or want. I give a little wiggle room to the 1911 because you can get a nice short light trigger pull but the thumb safety and grip safety keep that round in the chamber until the proper time.
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I once had a P345 as well. I also swapped springs for a 19# Wolff and while it did improve the trigger pull it was still way too spongy for me. I also had major issues with LSWC and SWC ammo, mostly of the Black Hills, PMC, and Federal variety. I removed the mag disconnect too. No other mag feeding issues other than with ProMags which I'll never buy again for any gun. After putting a little over 1000 rounds through it I decided the size/capacity/ergonomics would never quite line up with what I actually wanted. So I upgraded to an XD and sold the 345. I'm happy now.

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I am sorry to hear about your problems.
My 345 has been flawless. I have 3 1911's, 2 Kimbers and 1 Ed Brown. Love my 1911's but for money spent the very inexpensive 345 is hard to beat!
It sounds like you have made so many changes a gunsmith may be in order!
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Well, I'm not nearly as bummed out as I was. The P345 and I went to the range this morning (with the Wilson followers and springs installed in 4 magazines and no magazine disconnect).

BTW: I did not do any filing on either the magazines (they still have the crimp) or the followers.

I had no failures of any kind using the following ammo:

Federal 230g FMJ
Hornady Tap 200g JHP
Hornady XTP 185g JHP
Remington Golden Sabre 230g JHP
Magtech First Defense 165g SCHP

The Magtech's were more accurate, quieter and had less recoil (almost like shooting a 9mm) than any of the others, so that is what I'll be going with for my carry ammo.

I'm still not thrilled with the DA trigger pull although the SA pull on subsequent shots is very good.

I am also hedging my bets; I have a new S&W M&P mid-size .45 due this afternoon from Bud's Gunshop, and I have purchased several Ruger 7-round magazines (P90) for the P345.

Thanks again for putting up with my ranting and raving in my previous post.

P.S. This thing has the hottest extractor I have ever seen! The empty casings go a good 20 feet. Nobody will stand to my right!

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Woodlark ... Thanks for the update. I'm glad to hear that you were able to resolve your problem. Let us know what you think about the M&P once you give it a good shake down (bought my wife a M&P 9c for Christmas and she loves it).
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Woodlark ... Thanks for the update. I'm glad to hear that you were able to resolve your problem. Let us know what you think about the M&P once you give it a good shake down (bought my wife a M&P 9c for Christmas and she loves it).
Took the M&P to the range today and shot the same ammo types as the P345, plus a couple more. Had no feed problems and love the trigger. However, I couldn't hit anything with it. Near as I can tell it was shooting way low and to the right.
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Woodlark, Glad to hear you got your 345 on the right track.
Boy I know what you mean about the extractor. on some self stuffers you can actually "Tune" the extractor to pile the empty's
right where you want them, don't know if that's true of the 345 or not yet as this is my first double/single action. I am also thinking of a spring swap in mine for a better trigger, how much of a difference did it make in yours?
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If your last round wasn't feeding, I'd blame the mag spring. My P345 is flawless.
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Woodlark, Glad to hear you got your 345 on the right track.
Boy I know what you mean about the extractor. on some self stuffers you can actually "Tune" the extractor to pile the empty's
right where you want them, don't know if that's true of the 345 or not yet as this is my first double/single action. I am also thinking of a spring swap in mine for a better trigger, how much of a difference did it make in yours?
It is still not what I would call a "light" trigger, but it is definitely a lot better! I've been shooting my M&P a lot lately. It also throws casings pretty good, but not near as far as the P345.
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I think the distance the p345 throws brass is more a function of slide speed than extractor. The p345 has a very light recoil spring, which makes it one of the easiest slides to rack of any .45 semiauto that I have ever shot. I love my p345. Accurate, easy to shoot, and eat eats everything it is fed.
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I immediatly increased the power of the recoil spring, this made for a more pleasant recoil, better shot recovery, and less wear. I recommend at least everyone grab a 15lbs recoil spring, it is the best modification to the P345 and well worth every cent. Cases also eject slightly less far, not much. The P345 has one heck of an ejection system. It ejects live rounds cycled slowly at least 5ft.
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