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Old April 22nd, 2017, 05:32 PM   #1
 
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I'm not bad when it comes to researching things but, I'm confused as to some of the things I'm hearing about this pistol.
1. The Ruger American pistol was Ruger's entry into the U.S. military's competition for the next service weapon. The Ruger American pistol was not actually entered because of its late entry. Or was it because Ruger couldn't fulfill ammo requirements? Not that it matters as far as my decision to buy this pistol but was just curious.
2. In order to be in the running for the military contract Ruger made this pistol so that the chassis is serialized and thus only the chassis is considered as the weapon pre BATF standards. This serialization technique would allow Ruger American pistol owners to change grip and slide assembly by buying just the parts of the pistols that was needed without a FFL needing to be involved. I have also heard that while the above is mostly true the Ruger American pistol is not modular. For those of you who have one or more is it modular or not?
3. I know from personal handling experience of Ruger pistols that the slide offers more distance when racking it. I assume the recoil spring has something to do with this. Is the recoil spring a cheaper quality or is it actually stronger than competitors? My reason for asking is that I am in the market for either a full size or compact version of this pistol chambered in 9mm or .45 and I have read on here that the pistol in compact .45 version has some hiccups. Maybe it's just that user's pistol or not. Any feedback would be great.



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like most things ruger the springs are stronger than needed.
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Stronger recoil spring reduces some of the felt recoil.
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Ok good to know. Hopefully soon I can get to my local range and try one out before I buy one.
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1. Ruger deliberately chose not to submit for military trials. They were not interested in military contracts.

2. The steel chassis can be removed, but Ruger does not recommend doing so.

3. The recoil spring is what it is, as determined by Ruger engineers for necessary reliability. Not cheaper quality, and is it stronger than what competitors? You can check my commentary on how well the 9mm full-sized American pistol did on a 5500-round endurance run elsewhere in this sub-forum.
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Stronger recoil spring reduces some of the felt recoil.
Which means quicker and more accurate follow up shots.
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I assume the robust recoil spring is to handle "sustained +P ammunition use", but if you get the 9mm version and are shooting light hand loads, Galloway Precision sells captured recoil springs as low as 14 lbs for the compact and 15 lbs for the full sized.
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I'm not bad when it comes to researching things but, I'm confused as to some of the things I'm hearing about this pistol.
1. The Ruger American pistol was Ruger's entry into the U.S. military's competition for the next service weapon. The Ruger American pistol was not actually entered because of its late entry. Or was it because Ruger couldn't fulfill ammo requirements? Not that it matters as far as my decision to buy this pistol but was just curious.
2. In order to be in the running for the military contract Ruger made this pistol so that the chassis is serialized and thus only the chassis is considered as the weapon pre BATF standards. This serialization technique would allow Ruger American pistol owners to change grip and slide assembly by buying just the parts of the pistols that was needed without a FFL needing to be involved. I have also heard that while the above is mostly true the Ruger American pistol is not modular. For those of you who have one or more is it modular or not?
3. I know from personal handling experience of Ruger pistols that the slide offers more distance when racking it. I assume the recoil spring has something to do with this. Is the recoil spring a cheaper quality or is it actually stronger than competitors? My reason for asking is that I am in the market for either a full size or compact version of this pistol chambered in 9mm or .45 and I have read on here that the pistol in compact .45 version has some hiccups. Maybe it's just that user's pistol or not. Any feedback would be great.
I have a full size duty 9mm the recoil spring is stronger than others I either have or use. It is among the softest recoiling 9mm I have ever used and I assume this is the reason why. Yes, the chassis is modular, it is not easy or hard but can be removed and replaced by a careful process and the proper tools (there are good videos on youtube). I believe it looks like a deliberate engineering decision on the modularity. If the module is assembled and tested in another place in the factory, it becomes a drop in part a less trained person can just drop in (economics). It might be swappable within its family, but the compact appears to me to be of a different size than the full size. In general, my RAP has been flawless in over 1500 rounds in 4 1/2 months. not one ftf ftl or fte with any ammo (and I have tried most). I have found it really loves 147gr ammo with Federal being my choice. it is the most accurate but does recoil a bit more than 124gr. I give this pistol a two thumbs up.
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I recently bought a new RAP compact 9mm pistol. Mine has eaten 3-4 recoil spring/guide rod assemblies. It has been back to Ruger twice. New assemblies each time and they have sent two loose. First failure started on about 4th 17 round mag. Shooting Winchester white box FMJ. Which has worked flawlessly in my S&W M&P 9mm full size. So, I would think ammo is not an issue. When the recoil spring/guide rod assembly dies the outer spring at the muzzle end overrides the end fitting. Releasing the pressure on the barrel. Which then is lo longer properly located. It is then no longer possible (for me) to rack the slide fully. So, the take down lever is inop and back it goes to Ruger. I shoot six pistols. Two are 9m and one is 45ACP. The RAPc is by far the hardest to rack. And that is when the spring is not broken. It is a 16# spring assemble I am told. But, I have also read that it is 16#,17# or 18#. (Take your choice). The last time I got it back I saw no reason to believe "more of the same" would be the answer. So, I replaced it with a Galloway Precision 16#. ($45). It sure looks better. Polished ends and no holes for tools. (Torx or allen key like OEM). So far I have been able to shoot 6x17 with no issues. Has anyone else experienced failures of this part? If so, have you solved the problem? I also shoot a 2000 MKII. 5k to 10k rounds per year. I started to get a lot of FTF so I decided it was time for all new springs. Problem solved. Now shoots like new again. Which is great. Tom Marshall
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Have not done anything with a compact, but the recoil spring & the one mag used for that 5500 rounds through the full-sized pistol both held up perfectly through all testing.
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Good for you and your new Ruger RAP. That is sort of what I would expect on a new Ruger pistol. Steller reputation for both product and service. Which is what makes it so disappointing that I have had the many issues with my new RAP compact. I just posted my problems. (See above). Especially as my old MKII has served me so well. It is accurate, shoots any ammo and, of course, it is easy to clean. Which I do each time it has been fired. It took me awhile, but I would just say don't believe he naysayers. They may have given up too fast. Tom Marshall
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I recently bought a new RAP compact 9mm pistol. Mine has eaten 3-4 recoil spring/guide rod assemblies. It has been back to Ruger twice. New assemblies each time and they have sent two loose. First failure started on about 4th 17 round mag. Shooting Winchester white box FMJ. Which has worked flawlessly in my S&W M&P 9mm full size. So, I would think ammo is not an issue. When the recoil spring/guide rod assembly dies the outer spring at the muzzle end overrides the end fitting. Releasing the pressure on the barrel. Which then is lo longer properly located. It is then no longer possible (for me) to rack the slide fully. So, the take down lever is inop and back it goes to Ruger. I shoot six pistols. Two are 9m and one is 45ACP. The RAPc is by far the hardest to rack. And that is when the spring is not broken. It is a 16# spring assemble I am told. But, I have also read that it is 16#,17# or 18#. (Take your choice). The last time I got it back I saw no reason to believe "more of the same" would be the answer. So, I replaced it with a Galloway Precision 16#. ($45). It sure looks better. Polished ends and no holes for tools. (Torx or allen key like OEM). So far I have been able to shoot 6x17 with no issues. Has anyone else experienced failures of this part? If so, have you solved the problem? I also shoot a 2000 MKII. 5k to 10k rounds per year. I started to get a lot of FTF so I decided it was time for all new springs. Problem solved. Now shoots like new again. Which is great. Tom Marshall
I had a similar experience with mine...we had been at an indoor range and upon leaving and re-gearing up for conceal-carry mine jammed up and I couldn't rack the slide to save the life of me. I finally got it un-jammed after removing the mag and going mid-evil on it...re-positioned the guide rod / spring asy and got home and put a few rds through it and it worked fine. Hadn't occurred to me to send it in or anything...thought it was something I screwed up..maybe it was?? Haven't had it out since but I think I'll be ordering a Galloway piece as well...put one of their products into the ole SR40 (after 9000+ rds) and it's worked out just fine.
Thanks for posting your info.
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I have the compact 9mm and have had no issues with it at all.
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