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No issues-functions well 20 47.62%
Issues-does not function reliably 11 26.19%
Own but have not live fired as of yet 11 26.19%
Voters: 42. You may not vote on this poll

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Old March 10th, 2017, 11:49 AM   #16
 
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At any rate, those that did respond (on both forums I have this poll ) are pretty much split 50/50 on results.
Do you believe your poll results are an adequate sampling of all LCP II owners?



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Old March 11th, 2017, 09:08 AM   #17
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I'd been looking for a compact carry pistol for a while. My shooting buddy has a Kel-Tec 380 that I didn't particularly like (the trigger pull). I looked at the Sig P238, but didn't want an external safety; a Kimber (too pretty), a Kahr with night sights (couldn't find one, but had feelers out). I saw the LCP Custom and wanted that, but there was none to be found, and I heard people speculate that the shortage was because Ruger was coming out with a striker-fired 380.

I saw the LCP II at a gun show last fall, and jumped.

Jim, my Kel-Tec friend, reloads, and treats it like a religion. I shot about 200 of his rounds with nine failures to eject. I've been shooting his 9mm reloads with never, ever a problem in my Sig, and was very discouraged, particularly since he wasn't having any problems with the same rounds with his Kel-Tec.

Then I went through about 250 rounds of factory ammo -- all perfect. Then Jim discovered than an errant drop of oil was affecting the powder metering. He fixed that, and a new batch of 150 reloads have been perfect.

So maybe 600 rounds so far. I don't expect to continue shooting it at that pace, but do want to improve my accuracy.

I now trust the gun. When I carry, I use factory ammo, a mix of ball and hollow point. The trigger pull is very nice, with a short reset. I am very pleased I bought it.

Off topic, last month I bought a Mark IV 22/45 Lite. I shot few hundred rounds of new ammo, perfect. Then went back and burned off about 300 rounds that I've had since the early 90s -- those had some problems. Another 200 rounds of new ammo, perfect. Anybody want to buy my old AMT Mark III knockoff, cheap? God, I hated cleaning that gun.
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A joy to carry. At the range not too much fun but purchased for carry. Range required to be comfortable but even with Liberty ammo, it's a handful. One that I don't object carrying, half pound less than the LC9S Pro it replaced.


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I traded for a NIB LCP II.

Unlike a new LCR, I can pull the trigger on a LCP II with ease.

I'd rather have 9mm or 38+P power, but the tiny Rugers hide where my
PPS M2 can't.

Ruger's new ARX ammo is interesting.

I think that expanding .380 and sufficient penetration are a myth.

The ARX wil not expand and it seems to penetrate as much as other
defensive .380 or maybe more.

This will be a BUG to my 9mms.
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Do you believe your poll results are an adequate sampling of all LCP II owners?
No, I don't believe the results are adequate. Was really surprised, with all the "talk" on this pistol, there were so few owners represented.

I'm still going to wait though.
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I have fired 150 rounds of Blazer Brass FMJ plus 8 rounds of Lehigh Defense XP. All perfect.

I am happy with the trigger and am more accurate than I expected once I moved from the pad of my finger to the first joint. Even dry firing, I have trouble not pulling the pistol when placing the pad of my finger on the trigger. That is just the opposite of my experience with my SA XDs and XDM in 9mm. Apparently with this small pistol, trying to use the classic pad of finger pull just puts my finger at too odd an angle.
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Mine is a total piece of garbage and is currently having its second field trip back to Ruger for "repairs". My last trip to the range *AFTER* the frist service from Ruger went like this; 22 magazines attmpeted, 10 failures. This gun has almost a 50% failure rate. All but one were failures to feed, three of those were LIVE round stove pipes. This was through five different ammunitions, Federal Classic, WWB, HPR, SIG range, and AE.

This is not a range toy. It is not a conversation peice (unless you like discussing the worst firearm purchase you've ever made). It is a self defense gun. That is its only reason to exist. And mine fails almost 50% of the time.

When I get it back next time what do I do? I'm already at purchase price + magazines + $100+ ammo, + range fees, all only in order to find out just how awful this thing really is. If I get it back, spend another $70 beta testing this piece of **** for Ruger and only to find out it is still worthless and dangerously unreliable it will be the last Ruger product I ever buy.

Makes me sick.
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navajas - at this point Ruger needs to send you a new one with 4 additional mags and pay your FFL fee.


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navajas - at this point Ruger needs to send you a new one with 4 additional mags and pay your FFL fee.


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Well see, that's the thing. My last question was not rhetorical, I honestly don't know what to do. About a week after I bought that LCP II, found out it was garbage and shipped it to Ruger, I bought a Spirngfield XD Mod.2 Sub 9mm. It is straight up awesome, runs flawlessly out of the box, is dead on precise, easy to carry and fun to shoot. It cost me $469 + tax, brand new, and that price will include 6 magazines, a holster and a mag pouch.

I have spent damn near that much money just trying to get the LCP II to run for a few minutes at a time without malfunction. When Ruger sends this thing back to me do I continue to pour money down its throat or cut my loses at $400, try to sell this thrice re-manufactured piece of crap to some poor soul, and tell Ruger to go firetruck themselves. The thing is, I don't WANT anyone to have this thing. Trusting your life to this pistol is folly.

But will Ruger actually refund me for this thing? Do they do that? Even if they do, I'm still out time and money for ammunition and testing (doing so was sure as hell NOT fun, I got no entertainment value whatsoever during those range trips) that easily equals the retail cost of the gun, is that enough to redeem the company in my eyes?

I just don't know. By now from scoping forums there are LOTS of people with these issues. People on this thread are making light of 6 of 20 people getting lemons in this model as if it's no big deal. If your line is kicking out unusable products 30% of the time, you have a big problem. Another six haven't even shot the thing. (That worries me, folks on this poll who have not tested their gun, please don't carry an LCP II without putting a number of round through it!)

At this point Ruger knows they are selling an unreliable product. An unreliable product that's only purpose is to trust your life to. I think it's recall time. But people (like me) keep buying them as soon as they are in stock. It takes a company with some serious integrity to stop manufacturing long enough to figure out why they can't put out a good product and suffer the PR hit of a recall when they're selling out every single week.

Hell, I'm ranting. Pish. Whatever.

Caveat Emptor people.
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LCP II Owners Poll

I had a similar issue with a Kahr 380. The short story is that after 600 rounds with a trip back to Kahr in the middle I couldn't get it to function reliably (battery failures with every ammo except Hornady Critical Defense). I sold it and took a huge loss.


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I have posted 2 returns and one bad mag elsewhere. So your poll needs to have a response that Ruger fixed or did not fix too. I would say mine is not yet reliable though it is without error in 100 rounds following the second fix, but I am not to interested in rushing yet another few hundred rounds through to make me confident about CC with it as I have others to carry that are reliable right now. Despite this, my advice would be to buy one because there is selection bias on forums. People often join and post who have issues to share.
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I had a similar issue with a Kahr 380. The short story is that after 600 rounds with a trip back to Kahr in the middle I couldn't get it to function reliably (battery failures with every ammo except Hornady Critical Defense). I sold it and took a huge loss.


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I had the exact same experience with a Kahr p380, and switched to a Sig P250 at a loss, which I eventually traded for a Shield. I now have a stable set of pistols... Ruger SR22, Ruger LCP II, S&W Shield, Sig M11A1(P229). Looking at the Mark IV next, but happy with what I have if 'stuck' with it! I will stick with the LCP II and Ruger's service.
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I too think that the % of problem LCP IIs is skewed. People tend to chime in when they have a problem. I think the problems we do hear about are problems with quality control and not a matter of a design flaw. That may be little comfort to those who have had issues with theirs, but I think once Ruger gets it back and gets it right, that the vast majority of those who own these little pistols will like them.
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I personally love the new trigger over the old, but with that said I'll say this.
I bought the LCP II in January 2017. After 34 rounds the trigger had issues resetting. Sent it back and Ruger changed the trigger pivot and pivot pin. They fired 28 rounds with no issues. That problem hasn't happened again, but i noticed it had a bent guide when I got it back from the factory. They sent me a new guide rod and recoil spring. Later I started having a few misfeeds every few mags and bent another guide rod. I sent it back and requested they put 100 rounds through it without a malfunction and replace the guide rod with a stainless steel rod.
I was told that they couldn't get it to malfunction after 112 rounds (with the bent guide rod) and they were shooting Blackhills ammo. Anyhow they change the slide and recut the feed ramp and put in a stainless guide rod.
They fired about 120 rounds of Blackhills ammo and I fired 50 rounds of PPU fmj and 30rounds of Hornady American gunner XTP rounds between two different Ruger magazines and it's seems to be doing great now. So it has 200 rounds through it without a malfunction now. Overall it has 500 round through it. My gun does shoot a little high and left though.
Even with 4 types of ammo. They all shoot to the same spot. That's even from a rested position taking my time. All in all I love the little gun. I just hope the kinks are worked out now.
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When I practice with my LCP II, I'm standing about 10 feet back from the target and practicing quick, point and shoot at center mass of a USPSA silhouette target. Shooting slowly from a rested position is not what I bought this pistol for. If you can hit center mass from 6-10 feet, you and it are doing your job.
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