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Old January 8th, 2017, 06:49 AM   #1
 
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LCP II Trigger Spring

New guy here on the forums. I just recently got an LCP II and while looking for a holster, I found a few companies that actually refuse to make holsters for the pistol stating that the first stage/takeup on the trigger is too light. They say they won't make holsters for it because they don't feel that it's a safe gun to carry. Anyone else feel this way as well? I'm on the fence about it with regards to pocket carrying.



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Old January 8th, 2017, 11:58 AM   #2
 
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Haven't shot the LCP II, but the original trigger takes forever. Curious to see how this plays out. Haven't heard of refusing to make a holster for a new gun.

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OP: I would be more inclined to believe this if you posted the names of the companies you are talking about. I have an LCP II and carry it almost daily and don't feel that there is any danger of an inadvertent discharge. If the trigger is covered and has the "Glock lever" on it, how can it discharge without intent? Also, I see lots of holsters for the LCP II from virtually all the major manufacturers I have looked at. FWIW, I'm currently using a holster designed for my PPK and it fits pretty well.
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Uncle George Holsters will not make a holster for the LCP II. I can't remember the other company right now.
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I see that Uncle George is quite vehement about it, but I do see holsters for the LCP II from Crossbreed, DeSantis, Galco, Fobus, and Alien Gear... There are probably more, but that was a quick search. I never heard of Uncle George holsters, but they look to be pretty nice - even though I only see one type of holster (the wallet holster).
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There has been some hub-bub in certain circles online about the LCP2 and the fact that it is essentially a single-action pistol without a manual safety. I find it ironic that Ruger, of all companies, is the target of this type of criticism considering that they have a long history of loading up their guns with all kinds of extraneous safety levers, doodads, and gizmos.

I haven't shot an LCP2, but I've dry-fired one. The trigger pull is no where near as light as some tweaked Glock triggers that people are using in "defensive" pistols. I'm not sure what bug these people have up their butts with this gun's trigger; but if that's their policy but they don't follow the same guidelines with the plethora of other fully pre-cocked striker-fired guns out there, it's pretty hypocritical. Ask if he makes holsters for the M&P, XD, PPQ, VP9, RAP, P320, etc.
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When dry firing my LCP II i watch the hammer, it is not "fully" cocked, as you pull the trigger you can see the hammer move back some before dropping, it has the trigger safety and something has to pull the trigger to fire it, it ain't just gonna fire itself, I carry mine in the Ruger holster no problem.
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When dry firing my LCP II i watch the hammer, it is not "fully" cocked, as you pull the trigger you can see the hammer move back some before dropping, it has the trigger safety and something has to pull the trigger to fire it, it ain't just gonna fire itself, I carry mine in the Ruger holster no problem.






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Wife has tge LCP II and loves the trigger. As far as holsters, there are many on the market that will work fine. The Glock style trigger is no different on this gun as the or any other gun that has a similar type safety trigger.
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LCP 2 safeties

I am no expert but from reviewing how the trigger, hammer, and sear work the LCP 2 does have 3 passive and 2 active safeties in my opinion.
1. Firing pin is titanium to minimize firing when dropped with return spring.
2. Trigger bar safety to prevent trigger moving unless pressed and pulled. +/- 6 pound trigger.
3. Hammer block. If trigger is not pulled and hammer slips off sear surface, which appears fairly well engaged, there is a raised portion on the sear on the right side looking towards muzzle that will catch the hammer before it hits the firing pin. Half stop.
4. Pocket holster to protect the trigger. Operator needs to use one.
5. The last and probably the most important the operator.

The LCP should not fire unless the trigger is pulled fully to the rear.
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I've had that fear of carrying the LCPII with a chambered round since right after I bought it. If I had noticed it I would have walked away.
I did notice that when you squeeze the trigger the hammer does go back more before falling.
Thankfully I don't have to concern myself with it any longer . My LCPII went back to Ruger twice. It was determined un-repairable. I asked and they happened to have a Custom LCP on hand that I should be receiving today. I agree with what that Uncle George says who also informed Ruger along with Mike Fifer. He's one of the companies refusing to make a holster for it.
Really not a big deal I had no problem using my wallet holster which was for the standard LCP with the LCPII,
Do whatever you guys see fit but I won't carry any gun if I'm not comfortable doing so.
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I've had that fear of carrying the LCPII with a chambered round since right after I bought it. If I had noticed it I would have walked away.
I did notice that when you squeeze the trigger the hammer does go back more before falling.
Thankfully I don't have to concern myself with it any longer . My LCPII went back to Ruger twice. It was determined un-repairable. I asked and they happened to have a Custom LCP on hand that I should be receiving today. I agree with what that Uncle George says who also informed Ruger along with Mike Fifer. He's one of the companies refusing to make a holster for it.
Really not a big deal I had no problem using my wallet holster which was for the standard LCP with the LCPII,
Do whatever you guys see fit but I won't carry any gun if I'm not comfortable doing so.
Sorry, again, that you got a bad LCP II. Thankfully Ruger has great CS. You keep mentioning Uncle George holsters not making wallet holsters for the LCP II as some kind of proof the design is dangerous. Yet, you bought a Sig 238 as a replacement to carry and Uncle George won't make holsters for that gun as well, for the same reason. Also, you requested a LCP Custom and that also has a much lighter trigger pull than the original LCP. You are free to carry whatever you want and are comfortable with, but, you continue to malign the LCP II's trigger as unsafe while carrying another single action pistol that has a manual safety that can be accidentally disengaged. I think that is just a false sense of security. Most CC proponents do not recommend carrying a pistol with a safety engaged. In a stressful situation, you don't want to be fumbling with a safety. If the safety lever is too large it is too easy to be accidentally disengaged and if it is too small it is too hard to intentionally disengage when you need that gun. For anyone really nervous about carrying a pistol without a safety and a decent, shootable trigger, carry it without a round in the chamber and practice racking the slide upon drawing. It's safer than relying on a manual safety and it's a gross motor skill that will likely be more reliable than trying to flick off a small manual safety, when the pooh hits the fan.

Bottom line, for safe carry, use a holster that positively isolates the trigger and use good trigger discipline.
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Sorry, again, that you got a bad LCP II. Thankfully Ruger has great CS. You keep mentioning Uncle George holsters not making wallet holsters for the LCP II as some kind of proof the design is dangerous. Yet, you bought a Sig 238 as a replacement to carry and Uncle George won't make holsters for that gun as well, for the same reason. Also, you requested a LCP Custom and that also has a much lighter trigger pull than the original LCP. You are free to carry whatever you want and are comfortable with, but, you continue to malign the LCP II's trigger as unsafe while carrying another single action pistol that has a manual safety that can be accidentally disengaged. I think that is just a false sense of security. Most CC proponents do not recommend carrying a pistol with a safety engaged. In a stressful situation, you don't want to be fumbling with a safety. If the safety lever is too large it is too easy to be accidentally disengaged and if it is too small it is too hard to intentionally disengage when you need that gun. For anyone really nervous about carrying a pistol without a safety and a decent, shootable trigger, carry it without a round in the chamber and practice racking the slide upon drawing. It's safer than relying on a manual safety and it's a gross motor skill that will likely be more reliable than trying to flick off a small manual safety, when the pooh hits the fan.

Bottom line, for safe carry, use a holster that positively isolates the trigger and use good trigger discipline.

Ruger has great customer service definitely no argument. I also respect your opinion.
I did read what that Uncle George had to say and I agree with him for the most part. He must really feel strongly about it that's money out of his pocket. And because he won't make a holster for it doesn't show proof that it's unsafe.
I was concerned about the LCPII before I even saw what Uncle George had to say. In fact I had already been carrying it with an empty chamber. I don't know anything about Uncle George, is credentials or his holsters. I've never seen any of his holsters much less use one. I couldn't tell you what guns he makes holster for and which he doesn't.

The reason I bought another Sig I've never had a problem with any of the ones I own and I really hate saying this but wish I could say that with the Ruger's I've gotten over the last couple years. This LCPII makes the 4th defective Ruger being replaced in about 2 1/2 yrs. I'm very grateful most of my Rugers are older ones.

No I'm not saying the Sig is perfect for carrying in a pocket holster (which I use on occasions) or in my case in a wallet holster but I feel allot better knowing it has that Thumb safety blocking the hammer from falling.
I have to admit when I made my decision to carry it with a empty chamber I hadn't noticed that the hammer moves a little further back when you squeeze the trigger before the hammer falls. I feel a little better after seeing that but not enough to change how I would carry a LCPII. Like I said I don't have to worry about that my LCPII it's gone and being destroyed.
If I were to carry a LCPII in a IWB I wouldn't be near as concerned as I am in a pocket holster and even more so in the wallet holster. I don't need a 2nd hole back there.
I carry Glock's without fear but they have some other internal safety features and aren't in my pocket.



The Custom LCP replacing the defective LCPII should be here anytime. As soon as I get the call I'll go get it. I really do hope this Custom works out. Weather permitting I plan on taking it to the range tomorrow after giving it a thorough cleaning and polish the feed ramp today.
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The Taurus TCP has the perfect trigger in my opinion. Long and smooth . You could not possibly accidentally fire it yet you could stay on target with it. Too bad the gun was unreliable or I still would have it. I hear the Kahrs have similar triggers but have not tried one. I have the LC9s pro and I feel it's trigger is light for a carry gun. The second gen LCPs are pretty good too.Just my 2 cents.
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The LCP 2 has a hammer block as far as I can tell which functions similarly to Glocks firing pin block. No trigger pull no firing pin strike.

LCP 2 trigger pull weight slightly heavier than Glocks trigger pull.

So why is Glock safer.

I forgot the LCP also has out of battery safety. Number 6?

If I were Uncle George I would not make a back pocket or front pocket holster either which makes it difficult to access the pistol. Fumbling trying to get a grip on a pistol that may be chamber... well....
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