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Old December 31st, 2016, 08:37 PM   #16
 
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My first handgun was the SR40...love it. Gotta have over 9000 rds through it to date.
Bought an A9 the first gun show I saw it at...I'm no expert by any means but in repeated side by side trips to the range with it and my P320 Sig (both 9mm) I am hard pressed to pick one over the other as far as which one I like better. I liked the American Pistol so much that I picked one up in the Compact variation at the gunshow earlier today.
The SR to me has a very clean look...the AP has that sinister look...ugly??? I say Bad Azz.



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Ruger's full-size pistol line seems like an after-thought. They had the SR series, then came out with the good value 9E but never completed that lineup with a 9E compact or "45E". Now along comes the American pistol so not sure why the SR series needs to continue. Or why the American series needed to exist at all.

Ruger's pistols have great ergonomics and great triggers but they just seem to introduce things without rhyme or reason and that doesn't instill much confidence that they're going to keep anything around, which plays into holster and magazine and accessory availability.
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Something new??
*Polymer frame, striker fired, high capacity mag, available in 9mm (or.45 acp)!
Gotta be at least half a dozen new models in the last six months or so. Other then a few details.............all sound like a Glock.
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wonder how long before Ruger discos the SR series ? felt up both sr and rap in 9mm the sr9 just felt better in hand, natural point and shoot imo.
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The SR seems like a better series to me, the RAP more of an economy line.
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Why do some of you care that Glocks are the most popular and people suggest them? You want a Ruger, or like Rugers, buy a Ruger, it's very simple.

Ruger fan boys can be just as obnoxious as anyone else. I love my Ruger single actions, Mark pistols, my 1911 and 10/22s. Other than those, Ruger makes nothing I care to own. Don't own a Glock either. I buy what I like and could care less what others think about it.
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The American just didn't do it for me. Don't like the weight even in the Compact size. Nothing new. Didn't give it a 2nd look.

We do like the SR-9C but we have several others we like better for carry.
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The American just didn't do it for me. Don't like the weight even in the Compact size. Nothing new. Didn't give it a 2nd look.

We do like the SR-9C but we have several others we like better for carry.
Ironically I like the weight of the full size American. I seem to like heavier handguns.
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I'm still trying to find a holster that will allow me to carry my SR9c more than 2-3 hours without wishing I had my LC9s instead. Weight may not matter to others, but it does to me. That's the only reason I won't consider the RAP, because I do like the modular design.
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Why do some of you care that Glocks are the most popular ....
To me the popularity becomes a selling point. Seems like practically everybody has a Glock 19 or 17. From now until the end of time you would be able to find Glock holsters and magazines. I'm not a huge fan of Glocks or any other plastic pistols but consistency is worth something. If Ruger introduced and discontinued new revolver lines like they do pistol series we'd think they were nuts.
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Regarding the RAP vs SR debate, I don't know what people think Ruger was supposed to do. The RAP was developed for the military pistol trials. After it became clear that Ruger had no chance there, they decided to forgo the thing. That still left however much R&D they had already put into the RAP line. It made no sense for them to just walk away from that. So they brought the gun to market.

If you look at the RAP in its one year, they've been pretty conservative with how its been rolled out. All they offered up front were full size 9 and 45 options. What they've done since is really pretty minor : manual safety versions and now "compact" models that are just shorter barrel/slide variations. It isn't costing them much to offer those alternatives.

In other words, I'm not even sure Ruger sees the RAP as the SR replacement, just as a smart way to get some return on the investment they made into the project.

As to the OP's original question, I think that's been largely covered. I will point out that Nutnfancy did eventually do a relatively positive full review of the RAP, even if his conclusion was that he thought it was ugly and that he didn't think it brought much new to the table.
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Regarding the RAP vs SR debate, I don't know what people think Ruger was supposed to do.
Agreed. I will add that many people have said that the pistol brings nothing "new" to the polymer pistol market. To be frank unless a pistol is introduced has a Bluetooth enabled trigger, fires HD quality digital projected bullets & synchs with your smart phone I can't really see too any polymer pistol vendors having introduced anything new in ages.


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Do folks from youtube channels such as Nutnfancy get paid by the manufactures to do the reviews?
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Regarding the RAP vs SR debate, I don't know what people think Ruger was supposed to do. The RAP was developed for the military pistol trials. After it became clear that Ruger had no chance there, they decided to forgo the thing. That still left however much R&D they had already put into the RAP line. It made no sense for them to just walk away from that. So they brought the gun to market.
+1 I was going to say the same thing.

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Do folks from youtube channels such as Nutnfancy get paid by the manufactures to do the reviews?
Some probably do. At the very least, a number of them receive T&E guns at no charge. However, he claims he doesn't. It's nearly impossible for me to make it through one of his videos because of rambling content and length.

Here is a summary of most of his videos: Blah, blah, acronym-he-made-up, blah, acronym-he-made-up, blah, blah, blah, too heavy, blah, I'm honest, I'm a good shooter, I'm going to give it to you straight, blah, blah. And the video alternates between him running around in the desert wearing full military gear for no apparent reason and his blue table top with patches for sale on it.

But he has a lot of subscribers so I guess the joke's on me.
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I'm still trying to find a holster that will allow me to carry my SR9c more than 2-3 hours without wishing I had my LC9s instead. Weight may not matter to others, but it does to me. That's the only reason I won't consider the RAP, because I do like the modular design.
Have a look at the N82 pro. That's Nate Squared. I own both an SR9c and an LC9s. The SR is a bit more to carry and not as concealable however, it shoots way better than the LC. I carry the SR whenever practical and the LC otherwise.

The N82 pro is larger than many if not most holsters. It keeps the SR very close to my body but the pistol never touches my body (full coverage). It has a unique retention system that you need to get used to but the gun will never fall out of the holster under any circumstance. It's comfortable - I've worn mine for more than 12 hours at a time.

Good luck!
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Do folks from youtube channels such as Nutnfancy get paid by the manufactures to do the reviews?

No, but it's a 'slick' end around (and very cheap) for the manufactures to make it look like a 'total independent' review. Most of us who grew up with the magazine reviews knew that the writers were pimping for the advertisement dollars.

The new medium with the internet/YouTube most of them are doing it for free stuff in particular free ammo. But most of their subscribers are kids, seriously, like as in high-school and some even younger.

I only now look to see a gun up close if I'm interested in it.
Even the ones who started out a few years ago with no bias have been coheres by the freebies and have loss a good deal of credibility.

Some of them are viewed as credible especially by the manufactures because of their former backgrounds and it does look good to those out there who say the gun community are bunch of uneducated hillbillies screwing their 1st cousins. So it paints a positive image for them and even for us, which is why I don't dump to bad on them.

But after you've been around awhile you learn what to take away from anything you see or hear.

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