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Old December 15th, 2016, 04:58 PM   #1
 
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Ruger LCP II Misfeed Issue

Just picked up a Ruger LCP II yesterday and took it to the range to test it out today. Had several misfeed (or failure to properly feed) issues with the first round that came up after inserting the magazine. Initially I was using the same amount of force to seat the magazine that I usually use for my Glocks and Ruger LCP Custom. From what I can see when that amount of force is used the bullet appears to then sit slightly too high and will not feed correctly into the chamber, which also causes a pretty good jam. When I used minimal pressure/force to seat the magazine the issue did not present. I did check the manual and it does say that "slamming the magazine into the frame forcibly is not necessary." And it really isn't to get it to seat, however, I do not think I was using more pressure than I do for all my other handguns, and it seems to me it is the amount of force I would be using in a rapid reload situation. Has anyone else seen this issue?



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It's a bullet design or limp writing problem. Change one or the other and see if that fixes the problem.


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I used two different kinds of ammo and had the issue with both of them. I bought some Federal 380 ammo and will see how that runs tomorrow. I will also run two of the magazines from my LCP custom to see if the issue is with the magazine that came with the LCP II.
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Ruger LCP II Misfeed Issue

I have the the same issue with one of my LCP gen2 (not LCP II). If I use too much force to seat the mag the round sits too high and crooked and the first round will jam when chambering.

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less force and more force



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Just picked up a Ruger LCP II yesterday and took it to the range to test it out today. Had several misfeed (or failure to properly feed) issues with the first round that came up after inserting the magazine. Initially I was using the same amount of force to seat the magazine that I usually use for my Glocks and Ruger LCP Custom. From what I can see when that amount of force is used the bullet appears to then sit slightly too high and will not feed correctly into the chamber, which also causes a pretty good jam. When I used minimal pressure/force to seat the magazine the issue did not present. I did check the manual and it does say that "slamming the magazine into the frame forcibly is not necessary." And it really isn't to get it to seat, however, I do not think I was using more pressure than I do for all my other handguns, and it seems to me it is the amount of force I would be using in a rapid reload situation. Has anyone else seen this issue?
Does this happen when inserting a mag when the slide is open and when slide is closed (and you have to rack the slide to chamber a new round)?
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Sometimes when a mag is inserted firmly, it contacts internals meant to serve as a hard stop. If you go beyond this, the mag gets pushed to the side a little.

The reality is (and is also one of the reasons why I don't personally bother with tiny guns anyway) these very small pocket pistols just aren't as universally reliable as larger guns. When you shrink stuff down into minuscule packages, the dynamics of the geometry leave little room for error. Tolerance stacking is more of a problem since the same absolute tolerance levels in small guns is a much larger percentage, if that makes any sense.

If you can't get it to work to your satisfaction and you've tried multiple types of ammo and different mags, perhaps it needs to go back to Ruger. My thought is, though, that they might test fire it without slamming in the mags very hard and find that they can't duplicate the problem.
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If you can't get it to work to your satisfaction and you've tried multiple types of ammo and different mags, perhaps it needs to go back to Ruger. My thought is, though, that they might test fire it without slamming in the mags very hard and find that they can't duplicate the problem.

This was my experience. They sent it back to me and included 4 new mags for my trouble. I just go easier on mag insertion now and it's been fine.




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I contacted Ruger and they said to ship it back and they want to take a look at it. I know the LCP ii is a complete redesign of their 380 LCPs, but using the same amount of force to seat a magazine reliably in my LCP Custom should not result in a jam in the LCP ii. I will be using both for pocket carry and would like the reload training/muscle memory to be the same for both if possible.

They are paying for the 2 day shipping to them and the return, so I figured it can't hurt to have them take a look.
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Great. Let us know how it turns out.


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Quick update. The issue actually got worse. I took the gun to the range today to see if using less pressure when seating the magazine and higher quality ammo might make a difference. First magazine had no issues, I tried with a magazine from LCP Custom and on the second shot the hammer hit the bullet with enough force to put a dent in the bullet, but not to fire off the round. The next round tried to feed which caused a significant malfunction and jammed the unfired round into the chamber. The range safety officer was able to eventually clear the malfunction, but that seems to indicate the issue is more than just the use of force being used to seat the magazine. Overall disappointing since I have had virtually no malfunctions or issues with my LCP Custom. The LCP II is going back to Ruger tomorrow and we will see what they can do.
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Got the pistol back from Ruger. They said the magazine was the issue and adjusted it. I told them in the problem description that I had the issue with multiple magazines and 4 different types of ammo. I got 12 rounds through the weapon before the issues materialized again, in fact the jams got worse and were very difficult to clear. So the weapon and a detailed description of the issue is on it's way back to Ruger. I can't find almost anything on various Ruger forums with people having a similar issue, but my hunch is there is something internal to the grip that is causing the magazine to not seat properly unless a perfect amount of force is used. Even, when I seated the magazine with minimal force, I was still getting multiple double feeds. Something just isn't right with the pistol.
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Keep us posted. Did you send them all the mags?
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Just picked my LCP ll yesterday, have not been to the range yet. One issue I'm seeing already is when I insert the magazine it hits the mag release and will not go past it. I have to push the button in for it to get past it. It ejects fine, just will not insert without pushing the button in.

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I did not send them all the mags, but all of the LCP mags I have (besides the one that came with the LCP II) work with no issues in my LCP Custom. Hoosier, the issue you were having is something I have seen on a lot of forums regarding the original LCPs. If I remember correctly, it was an issue Ruger ultimately had to address. I don't know if they did a recall, or you could send you weapon in for adjustment. I have not heard of it being an issue with the LCP II. I would give Ruger all call and see if they want to adjust it for you.
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Just picked my LCP ll yesterday, have not been to the range yet. One issue I'm seeing already is when I insert the magazine it hits the mag release and will not go past it. I have to push the button in for it to get past it. It ejects fine, just will not insert without pushing the button in.
I've had more than a couple of pistols that would 'snag' on the mag release and felt like the mag wouldn't go past without an extra nudge. Also, certain mags would insert freely(barely feeling the point of mag release contact) and others would hang up a bit. My Taurus TCP was the most noticeable; but other compacts from SIG, Ruger felt the same. In no case would the mag NOT go past the release with the extra nudge; but I usually just pressed the release button when inserting the mag(Again, the TCP was the most noticeable).

If yours will NOT insert without pressing the mag release button, that could be problematic.
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