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Old December 14th, 2016, 01:14 PM   #1
 
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Don't know about the SR9c, but it works fine in my LC9 and every other 9mm handgun I have (3 Sigs).
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I have fired a few of them in my SR9e and they are fine. However, page 15 of the owners manual states:

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Although the SR-Series pistols are capable of firing +p ammunition, a steady diet of +p ammunition can adversely affect (sic) the longevity of the firearm.
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I have fired a few of them in my SR9e and they are fine. However, page 15 of the owners manual states:
Completely unrelated, but why the "sic" in the quote?
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Completely unrelated, but why the "sic" in the quote?
[sic] means “that's really how it appears in the original.” It is used to point out a grammatical error, misspelling, or misstatement of fact.

I added [sic] because of the misuse of the word "affect" in the manual. It should have been "effect". It's no biggie, I just don't want anyone to think it was me who made the grammatical error.

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EDIT: Actually, I got it wrong. Affect is correct. Effect and Affect are easily confused. My bad.

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[sic] means “that's really how it appears in the original.” It is used to point out a grammatical error, misspelling, or misstatement of fact.

I added [sic] because of the misuse of the word "affect" in the manual. It should have been "effect". It's no biggie, I just don't want anyone to think it was me who made the grammatical error.

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How sure are you about this, Pam? I think it's fine as stated in the manual. Oddly--& confusingly--both "affect" & "effect" can be used as verbs (& both are also used w/ direct objects), & when used that way, they have virtually identical meanings. That being the case, I'm pretty sure either one would be correct.

I always thought "affect" was the verb & "effect" the noun, which is usually the case, but I looked it up & found that "effect" can also be used as a verb.
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Will this ammo in 135 gr+p work well in sr9c
I go with the regular Hornady Critical Defense in my SR9c. I try to carry ammo similar in feel to what I practice with. I also like Sig Sauer's SD ammo, it functions & performs well.

Whatever you choose, test at least 1 box of it after initial pistol break-in, prior to using it for SD.

Also, you should introduce yourself in our "New Users" forum for a proper welcome.
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How sure are you about this, Pam? I think it's fine as stated in the manual. Oddly--& confusingly--both "affect" & "effect" can be used as verbs (& both are also used w/ direct objects), & when used that way, they have virtually identical meanings. That being the case, I'm pretty sure either one would be correct.

I always thought "affect" was the verb & "effect" the noun, which is usually the case, but I looked it up & found that "effect" can also be used as a verb.
Yeah, read my edit. I thought I was mistaken, but I was wrong.

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[sic] means “that's really how it appears in the original.” It is used to point out a grammatical error, misspelling, or misstatement of fact.

I added [sic] because of the misuse of the word "affect" in the manual. It should have been "effect". It's no biggie, I just don't want anyone to think it was me who made the grammatical error.

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EDIT: Actually, I got it wrong. Affect is correct. Effect and Affect are easily confused. My bad.
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How sure are you about this, Pam? I think it's fine as stated in the manual. Oddly--& confusingly--both "affect" & "effect" can be used as verbs (& both are also used w/ direct objects), & when used that way, they have virtually identical meanings. That being the case, I'm pretty sure either one would be correct.

I always thought "affect" was the verb & "effect" the noun, which is usually the case, but I looked it up & found that "effect" can also be used as a verb.
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Yeah, read my edit. I thought I was mistaken, but I was wrong.

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I'm sorry I led us down this path... the grammar nerd in me just couldn't help myself.

The correct word in the quoted phrase is "affect", which is a verb. It is often confused with the word "effect", which is a noun. They are even pronounced a little differently.

As was also pointed out, it's possible that you can use "effect" as a verb; but the meaning is different. For example... "The people hoped the new President could effect real change." Here is means "to bring about".

Furthermore, the word "affect" can sometimes (though very rarely) be used as noun. "The President seems to have an angry affect." Here, it is used to describe an apparent psychological state of being that may or may not be related to how they are actually feeling.

And now back to your regularly scheduled program...
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Is that statement in the owner's manual meant to imply that Ruger wouldn't repair a firearm if it showed wear consistent with constant +P usage? I mean while technically true (though I think a bit of an overstatement) it shouldn't really matter because despite not having a formal warranty policy, Ruger is known to fully repair any of their firearms no questions asked, so I wonder why they felt the need to include this statement?
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Sig's manuals say the same thing. +p is fine but not as a steady diet. Define 'steady diet'. I doubt most of us shoot enough to do any harm even if we only used +p ammo. Unless you're shooting competition on a weekly basis and practicing with only +p ammo you're not going to damage your gun. Two or three boxes of practice ammo a month isn't going to reach the 'steady diet' threshold. Besides, as someone already mentioned, there's no way to invalidate the warranty based on such a vague term. Shoot away. If you break it you'll discover what 'steady diet' means and when Ruger sends you your new gun you'll know what the limit is.
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There are very, very few pistols that officially come from the factory with any sort of mention that they can be used with a sustained diet of +P (RAP is one, BTW). It doesn't mean it's going to blow up if you use it.
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Why there should be a +P anyway, chances are you're not only going to shoot just one? If one won't, you do have MANY more for back up even in .380. If you need more power there's the .45.. How many here really think the 9 won't be good enough at regular pressure?
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Why there should be a +P anyway, chances are you're not only going to shoot just one? If one won't, you do have MANY more for back up even in .380. If you need more power there's the .45.. How many here really think the 9 won't be good enough at regular pressure?
Are you serious? Look... the same could be said for any caliber out there. Why should someone use .38 special +P instead of just .38sp? Or more importantly, why should there even be a .357 magnum? Why shouldn't he go to a .45 if he wants more power in his 9mm? Ummm... maybe because he already owns a 9mm and doesn't want to go buy another gun because someone on the internet told him to? Maybe because he can't get as small a pistol in .45 as he can in 9mm? Maybe because he loses capacity when he switches to a bigger caliber?

It's one thing to say that you personally don't see the added benefit of a +P over a standard pressure round. It's something different to not only question why someone would use it but to even question its reason for existence.

Some people want to squeeze as much FPS out of their chosen gun as possible. Will that little bit of added velocity be worthwhile versus the added recoil? Will that little bit of added velocity make any difference against an attackers? Who knows. However, if the guy wants to use it, let him use it.

I'm pretty sure he simply asked if it would function well in his gun. I don't think he asked if people thought he was being stupid for choosing it as a carry load.
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Will this ammo in 135 gr+p work well in sr9c
you should watch shootingthebull410's excellent series on 9mm for short barrel pistols on you tube. Basically, he has done an exhaustive and scientific study of both .380 and 9mm in short barrel automatic pistols. from this, I found I wanted to use federal LE HST in 147 grain for my S&W shield which has a similar length barrel. Further I did my own tests with his best 3 in a pork butt or shoulder to confirm. Critical duty did not do as well either in his tests or my not so scientific tests. Your mileage may vary though.
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