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Old December 15th, 2016, 12:38 PM   #16
 
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I strictly use the Federal 124GR HST JHP's. In every test using the FBI test standards on them, they were rated EXCELLENT in every catagory. The best of all brands and types tested.



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Old December 15th, 2016, 03:39 PM   #17
 
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I, too, exclusively use HST unless I can't find it... in which case I use Gold Dot. Why? Because they seem to have really good performance based on my research, and because I can get 50 round LE boxes of the stuff at the same price that people pay for quality FMJ. If you don't have the ability to buy LE ammo, then I would say that you probably shouldn't sweat it too much as long as you're using JHP that is (1) reliable, (2) available, and (3) a modern, quality design.
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back to the original question!

back to the original question!
I think that that round will work very well in the short barrell pistol..........which might aid in good penetration? many like the 147 grain for that reason.
115 grain is too light for penetration....I think almost everyone can agree on that?
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back to the original question!
I think that that round will work very well in the short barrell pistol..........which might aid in good penetration? many like the 147 grain for that reason.
115 grain is too light for penetration....I think almost everyone can agree on that?
Well... it depends. ;-)

From short barrel guns, velocity is down. When velocity is down, expansion is down. When expansion is down, penetration goes up. It's a weird balance there.
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Are you serious? Look... the same could be said for any caliber out there. Why should someone use .38 special +P instead of just .38sp? Or more importantly, why should there even be a .357 magnum? Why shouldn't he go to a .45 if he wants more power in his 9mm? Ummm... maybe because he already owns a 9mm and doesn't want to go buy another gun because someone on the internet told him to? Maybe because he can't get as small a pistol in .45 as he can in 9mm? Maybe because he loses capacity when he switches to a bigger caliber?

It's one thing to say that you personally don't see the added benefit of a +P over a standard pressure round. It's something different to not only question why someone would use it but to even question its reason for existence.

Some people want to squeeze as much FPS out of their chosen gun as possible. Will that little bit of added velocity be worthwhile versus the added recoil? Will that little bit of added velocity make any difference against an attackers? Who knows. However, if the guy wants to use it, let him use it.

I'm pretty sure he simply asked if it would function well in his gun. I don't think he asked if people thought he was being stupid for choosing it as a carry load.
Well yes I am if the use of such +P loadings are intended for use as a defensive round. Lawyers could possibly use the +P loading as a means to prove intentional pre-meditation just the same as using reloads for the same use. Going there, the same could be said of using a .44 magnum for personal defense. They will use anything they can dig up to win the case against you. The golden rule of reloading is to never exceed the published load data listed in the reloading manual for safety. Sure manufactures can whip up a special loaded cartridge with a few more FPS and ft. lbs. more energy but will it really help the outcome any at all? Will it place you further in jeopardy in court? Will it damage your firearm long term so that one day when you REALLY NEED that firearm to defend yourself or others, it fails?

I see this same want for speed in archery and bowhunting. Guys crank up their bows to shoot faster, hit harder but end up with shoulder injury over time and less accuracy plus broken bows and even arrows breaking and going through their hand. I say leave the +P for the military and Law Enforcement and minimize your future loss in many ways. If you can't get it done with good performing standard loads, you're not going to get it done with another 10% of velocity and energy.
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Well yes I am if the use of such +P loadings are intended for use as a defensive round. Lawyers could possibly use the +P loading as a means to prove intentional pre-meditation just the same as using reloads for the same use. Going there, the same could be said of using a .44 magnum for personal defense. They will use anything they can dig up to win the case against you. The golden rule of reloading is to never exceed the published load data listed in the reloading manual for safety. Sure manufactures can whip up a special loaded cartridge with a few more FPS and ft. lbs. more energy but will it really help the outcome any at all? Will it place you further in jeopardy in court? Will it damage your firearm long term so that one day when you REALLY NEED that firearm to defend yourself or others, it fails?
Sorry, but I'm calling BS on the whole lawyer thing. It sounds like some twisting of something that Mas Ayoob has said. Attorneys can bring up anything they want, but it doesn't mean that it will mean anything. And things that don't end up successfully supporting a case tend to not be brought up any more. Variations of these internet gun forum myth have been floating around for quite some time, and it almost always is connected in some way to something that Ayoob said about trigger jobs and defensive pistols. Modify your gun, go to jail. Use Black Talons, go to jail. Use reloaded ammo, go to jail. Use a .44 mag, go to jail. Use a silencer, go to jail. Use a Glock with a Punisher logo on the slide cover plate, go to jail. I've heard it take various forms. Don't get me wrong... there are other reasons why some of these types of things are not a good idea. But not simply because it will demonstrate that you're a blood-thirsty vigilante and will get you immediately thrown in jail.

Find me one single solitary example of a case where someone in an otherwise justifiable self-defense shooting has instead been convicted because the prosecution argued that they used a particular magnum caliber or a +P load or reloaded ammo. Find it... I dare you.

Additionally, about the "golden rule of reloading"... there is plenty of data out there on how to load to +P spec for 9mm. +P is a SAAMI designation that has strict guidelines as to what acceptable pressure level is. It's not +P+.

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Just food for thought for those young enough that think more is more in all cases. After 40 plus years of reloading and shooting everything from BB guns to archery and belted magnums, in most every instance more won't be the determining factor other that more wear and more danger. Again, just my opinion.
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I used to use the CD's in my SR9c, ran a couple hundred through to make sure they cycled properly and carried them for awhile, but I have switched to the Federal HST 124gr standard rounds, they don't seem as snappy and are just as accurate. And I find them in 50 round boxes
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I use Hornady CD but I prefer standard pressure 135's in my Glock 19 and my Shield. I feel +P is unnecessary and just harder on a gun when the 135's get by just fine.
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I use Hornady Critical Duty in everything except my AR.
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Will this ammo in 135 gr+p work well in sr9c
That is what I feed my SR9c
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I've used Critical Duty successfully in LC9, LC9S, Beretta 92FS and CZ75. But I prefer a bullet with a more standard profile as opposed to the odd conical shape of the CD. Some have reported feeding problems with it. Speer Gold Dot or Federal HST is my preference. Paradoxically, heavier bullets seem to shoot best out of my shorter barrels, so it's 147gr in Speer and 124gr in HST. I see that Federal now has a 150gr; haven't tried that.
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Back on track of the post. Hornady Critical Duty is for longer barreled pistols, as in "duty guns." Hornady Critical Defense is for shorter barreled pistols and has less muzzle blast and flash. I found this on their web site a couple of years ago when wondering what the difference was.
So, they will work fine. For defense use what ever gives you the most confidence and works 100% in your gun.
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Completely unrelated, but why the "sic" in the quote?
You need to check with an English major for the real dope on this, but the "affect" is usually used to show verb usage, In this case correctly, and maybe the author thought it should be effect. That is the only reason that I as a science person can think of .
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I wouldn't feed it a steady diet of +P ammo. Try some in your gun. If it works for you, load a magazine up and off you go.
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