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Old October 8th, 2009, 08:39 AM   #1
 
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LCP and + P Ammo

After several months of debating if I even wanted a LCP I went ahead and got one the other day.Personally I'm not much on a 380 for protection or even a 9mm for that matter.I'm more of a 40 and 45 cal man.I thought for occasionally slipping it in my pocket for a quick run to the store or something of that sort it would be ok.

When I got home from the gunshop I started reading the owners manual.I read where it says "Do not shoot +P ammo".

I realize this is a very small framed gun. No way I would ever give it a steady diet of +P.Just like the small framed revolvers rated for +P you don't give them a steady diet of it either.

My question is:

How many of you carry your LCP with +P for protection ? Does anyone see any harm carrying it with +P's strictly for serious busniess? I know Ruger wants to protect themselves by saying this.Is this little LCP built strong enough to handle a +P round on a occasion or should I stay away from the +P's period ?


My LCP in the 372 series. After reading about the finish on the slide I'll be keeping an eye open for that issue.

I haven't fired it yet and it might be sometime until I do.It appears to be well made with Ruger's quality.I was somewhat put off when I read about the +P ammo warning.I thought I would ask for your expert opinions on this matter.

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Old October 8th, 2009, 09:07 AM   #2
 
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I have a 372 issue, have been firing it and no flakinig other than my guide rod.

I use a Corbon .380 round (its in a blue box) and the rounds just straight up destroy frozen turkeys I buy and shoot at (shooting from 6-9 yards).

I am super impressed with the Corbon JHP .380 round.

Once I shot the Corbons I felt better about having a .380
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Thanks Jeff.slim. I'll keep an eye opened for these Corbons you mentioned.Aren't the Corbons rated +P?

This LCP won't get shot often. I just want something loaded in it that will do what I need it to do.
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the ones i shoot are not +P
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I carry Winchester Ball in mine and the only thing I am sure of is that I don't want to shoot any +P. I have large hands and this thing hurts!
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I do not use 380 +P in my LCP. The problem is that there are no SAMMI standards for 380 +P. There are standards for 38 Special +P and 9MM +P, but none for 380 +P. Therefore a company can load a 380 +P to any pressure they want and call it a 380 +P. I have read on another forum about an LCP Kaboom while using one manufactures 380 +P. I don't know if it was ever determined if it was a Manufactureing defect in the gun or the ammo. Shortly after this incident Ruger started not recommending +P in LCP'S, especially since there are no standards. There are several good loads in standard pressure 380's so why take a chance.

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Gold Dot Hollow Point 95gr

'bout as good as it gets.

Not a plus P load, but you'll notice a difference vs. WWB and the like. Your ElsiePea will bark
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Hey thanks for the good information. I asked this same question on another Ruger forum. I was told the same thing you said forty5 about not having SAMMI standards for the 380+P like they do on the 38+P's and 9's.

That paints a whole different picture and with this information I'll go with the standard non +P loadings.

I'm glad I asked before making a mistake.

My concern was I had a 380 probably 25 years ago and it never impressed me.I'm sure over the last several years 380 ammo has really improved especially with so many carrying CW's.I haven't shot a 380 in well over 20 years. That's why I was looking into the 380 +P for the LCP remembering back from years ago.. With that little difference in velocity there's no point in chancing it.Once again I do appreciate the good information you gave.
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no guns!

So a 380 won't kill, one of mayor Daley's buddies in chicago blew his brains out with a 380, 1 shot to the head. Chicago gang bangers are starting to use 380's because they can hide them better. Oh, I forgot Chicago has this handgun ban.
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The 380 Auto is actually a European cartridge that is rated at 19,580 psi by SAAMI. Anything over this standard would be considered +P, although like forty5 stated, there is no SAAMI or European standard (CIP) for a 380 +P. As such, pressure could be anywhere from a token higher to way higher. I would be wary of any ammo company that makes +P 380s and would never consider shooting them in any gun.
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I bought my wife one of these and we shoot regularly. She loves it and I (suprisingly with my big hands) actually enjoy putting a few rounds through it as well.
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As others have already said, there is no standard for +P in .380 ACP, so you have no idea what you'd be getting. Also, in such a short barrel, it's likely that what you'd be getting (besides an elevated chance of "kinetic disassembly" of your LCP) is more noise, more flash and more recoil but NOT significantly more muzzle energy.


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I shoot Underwood +P XTP in my Beretta 84F. I don't in my KelTec p3at.
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Thanks Jeff.slim. I'll keep an eye opened for these Corbons you mentioned.Aren't the Corbons rated +P?

This LCP won't get shot often. I just want something loaded in it that will do what I need it to do.
I appreciate it.
Another 380 consideration is Lehigh's 90gr Xtreme Penetrator ammo. Check out Shooting the Bull video regarding these.
I have one Sig P232 as a desk gun loaded with these. Everything else, including a M&P Shield 9 is my EDC... is 9mm. For bad breath defensive___the 380 XP is
impressive.
That's not discounting Corbon's JHP 380.
Good luck
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