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Old June 8th, 2016, 05:11 AM   #1
 
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Ruger American Pistol slide release issue?

I bought a RAP 3 9mm weeks ago

I'm wondering if its me or the pistol but, the slide release is ambidextrous, I used the use the left one to release the slide as I did with my others pistols but it seem that the right one dosent work... I tryed a couple of time with no success...never release the slide..

so my question is, does the right slide release should release the slide as the left one does?

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Old June 8th, 2016, 06:52 AM   #2
 
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1. Ruger doesn’t call it a slide release, it’s a SLIDE STOP

Slide Stop: When the last shot has been fired and the magazine is empty, the
slide stop automatically holds the slide open. When there is an empty magazine
in the pistol and the slide is retracted manually, the slide stop also will
automatically hold the slide open. If a loaded magazine is inserted in the pistol
when the slide is closed and the slide is then retracted fully, the slide stop will
not automatically hold open the slide. The user can actuate the slide stop
mechanism to hold the slide open at any time by retracting the slide and
pushing the slide stop up.
Unless there is an empty magazine in the pistol, the slide stop can be released by
drawing back slightly on the slide. When the slide is released, it will move
forward under pressure from the recoil spring.
The slide stop is spring loaded downward. Therefore, when there is a loaded
magazine in place and the pistol is jarred, the slide can fly forward and chamber
a cartridge. For this reason and as an essential safety practice, the user should
always be careful to keep fingers away from the trigger, and always keep the
pistol pointed in a safe direction.

2. Ruger doesn’t say push the slide stop down to release the slide.

Hold the pistol firmly in the shooting hand but do not touch the trigger. Keep the
pistol pointed in a safe direction. With the other hand, grasp the rear of the slide
and pull the slide to the rear as far as it will go (see Figure 2, below and “Slide
Retraction Warning,” p. 18). When released, the slide will fly forward to strip the
top cartridge from the magazine and chamber it.

This is where the RAP and the SR series (except for the SR1911 which isn’t a plastic striker pistol) are the SAME.
But you don’t have to follow the Ruger instruction Manual if you don’t want to.
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Yes true, I just noticed, thanks
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The flick of the finger on the SLIDE STOP to put the gun in battery is for TV and movies only.

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Mine works so far either side. I'd suggest you be capable of releasing the slide both ways. Nothing wrong with using the slide stop this way. If it wasn't meant to be used that way then why bother making it ambidextrous and why bother making it accesible at all really?

Ignore that "this is what the manual says" advice. Does the manual say NOT to release the slide that way?
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Ruger American Pistol slide release issue?

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Mine works so far either side. I'd suggest you be capable of releasing the slide both ways. Nothing wrong with using the slide stop this way. If it wasn't meant to be used that way then why bother making it ambidextrous and why bother making it accesible at all really?

Ignore that "this is what the manual says" advice. Does the manual say NOT to release the slide that way?


Good 'advice'. The slide stop is not built anywhere as strongly as the slide releases that macho men in movies use. It is easily damaged by this but at least Ruger CS will normally just fix it even though it is abused.

BTW, as an engineer and a gunsmith, I had a conversation with an engineer from Ruger and he told me that's the reason the manual says to slingshot the slide. But now I know you know more than him.

The ambidextrous slide stop is for disassembly of the RAP.

Remove the mag,
Rack the slide back to clear the weapon,
Lock the slide back by pushing the slide stop up,
Rotate the take down lever,
Pull the slide back and then slide it forward off the frame.

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I wouldn't be surprised if I knew more than him honestly. You have no idea my level of knowledge. So really tell me the point of making a slide stop ambidextrous if the only reason it exists is to disassemble the gun? The take down lever isn't ambidextrous. Your logic escapes me.

edit: Keep in mind I am not an engineer and gunsmith as you say you are. I am a former tool maker so my level of knowledge would be much greater than yours in many ways on certain topics.

edit 2: My RAP seems to be of the same material as my glocks slide stops. Tell me how I have been releasing the slides on multiple guns since the 80's without damaging the slide stops past wearing off some paint?

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Before this turns into a full blown argument ... I'll settle it.

One of the very first pistols to have an auto slide lock back was the Colt Model 1905 ... predecessor to the 1911 and designed by John Moses Browning . I'm assuming most people have at least heard of it. The original GI 1911s had a forged and machined steel slide stop where JMB actually put a knurled "friction pad" on the slide stop lever so it could be released manually by just pushing down on the friction pad with your right thumb (for right handers). Being the great weapons designer that he was, JMB also designed a cam release where pulling the slide back a little from the rear locked position would cam the slide stop lever down, release the slide and allow it to go fully forward into battery. This added feature (now called the "sling shot" method) was to accommodate left hand shooters where reaching the right handed friction pad was nearly impossible for a south paw. Nearly all pistol manufacturers stole JMB's slide stop design and in virtually all cases, the slide stop can still be operated in both modes.

The old original manual of arms for the GI 1911 addressed both of the slide release methods stating either way is acceptable to charge the weapon. As time went on, the 1911 and a host of other pistols with a slide stop transitioned into "gamer guns" where many of the standard GI manual of arms procedures were changed to permit faster and safer operation. The slingshot method became gospel ... possibly because it works well for right or left handers but mostly because it is safer. Just by the very way you must hold the weapon, using the slingshot method pretty much forces you to keep the muzzle pointed down range versus the slide stop push down method that can be activated even if the muzzle is pointed in an unsafe direction.

Safety is very important but it doesn't mean the slide stop has turned into a ornament just for looks. There are times when a manual release slide stop is preferred over the slingshot method ... primarily because the slingshot method requires both hands whereas the manual slide stop requires just the right hand. When you see an ambi slide stop with a thumb pad on both sides, do you really think the manufacturer put it there just for grins? I don't think so.

Ruger and many other manufacturers prefer their pistols be charged by using the slingshot method .... not because the slide stop is a piece of junk and won't hold up .... it's strictly a safety issue that helps prevent ADs, thus law suits. It's hard to find a current made pistol with a forged and machined slide stop .... nearly all are made with the MIM process. Is that bad? A solid steel part will likely outlast a MIM part but it will also add at least $50 to the manufacturing cost and could result in damage to the slide. In other words, MIM slide stops are cheap so if you ruin one, a replacement isn't going to put you in the soup line. This also doesn't mean a slide stop will wear any faster when using the manual release method versus the slingshot method. Wear on the slide stop come from peening .... where it pops up after the last round and literally snags the slide as it starts forward. At this time, the recoil spring is almost fully compressed so there is maximum tension on the surface of the slide notch and slide stop. The MIM slide stop is softer than the slide so most of the wear shows up on the cheap and easy to replace slide stop. This is actually good because it makes the slide last almost forever.

Back to John Moses Browning. One of the attributes that makes a weapon good is a simple design. JMB had a talent for making one part do multiple tasks. The slide stop is no exception. It is the focal point that holds the pistol together. It provides a means to hold the rear of the barrel, it links the magazine follower to the slide stop to perform the auto slide lock back feature, and it is the primary part that controls field stripping. No matter what brand of pistol you may have, if it has the auto slide (or bolt) lock back feature, it is based on JMB's design.

So .... before you tangled up in all the Internet chatter on who's right and who's wrong, read this post again!

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No argument here. Either way a person wants is fine with me. I see part on my RAP that appear to be MIM but at that slide stop looked to be a stamping though. Just saying.

All the current training I see says to slingshot/overhand release the slide stop because it is a gross motor movement vs releasing with the slide stop which they call a fine motor movement. The reasoning being that under real stress (gunfight) the first thing to go is your fine motor movement. I just ignore said advice as I don't agree with it when it comes to me.
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Slide lock level problem

I when the gun slide is locked (retracted) I can slide it back using either the left with my right thumb or the right with my left thumb. However, since I got the gun (few weeks ago) brand new I've only been able to do it with the left side of the gun (right thumb) and nearly impossible with the right side of the gun (left thumb) I'd be lucky to be able to do it once or twice. Other than that, gun's perfect. What could the issue be? I even lubed it up and still no difference.
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I've have a p95, to get either "slide" release to work you have to pull back on the slide just a little bit.................then it works just fine.
While my S&W 910, you just thumb the release and the slide drop forward.
Just seems some are tougher to release then others???
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I always thought the slide stop being ambi, was so a lefty could activate it into the locked position with his/her thumb. But, what do I know? I was taught to pull and release, in the military! I guess they didn't know better either.

Why argue with the operating manual?
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Slam a full mag in it the slide will release.
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I always thought the slide stop being ambi, was so a lefty could activate it into the locked position with his/her thumb. But, what do I know? I was taught to pull and release, in the military! I guess they didn't know better either.

Why argue with the operating manual?

Exactly - not all slide stops are intended by the manufacturer to be slide releases.
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Slam a full mag in it the slide will release.
hopefully, then, your finger is nowhere near the trigger. That could be a disaster.
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