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Old November 16th, 2016, 06:50 PM   #31
 
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I prefer to release the slide via a push of the slide lock vs. the pull back.

Studying all I have on this RAP .45 I feel that it will never cause a problem in my lifetime of casual range entertainment.



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Old November 18th, 2016, 06:07 PM   #32
 
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I bought a RAP 3 9mm weeks ago

I'm wondering if its me or the pistol but, the slide release is ambidextrous, I used the use the left one to release the slide as I did with my others pistols but it seem that the right one dosent work... I tryed a couple of time with no success...never release the slide..

so my question is, does the right slide release should release the slide as the left one does?

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Direct answer to your question: The two are part of the same mechanism. it is one solid piece of metal. If one is depressed enough to release the slide the other one must. So, for me, your choice here is to send it in to Ruger. And I know others have mentioned it, but it is a slide lock, not a slide release. The manual says not to use it to release the slide. Just saying.
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I wouldn't be surprised if I knew more than him honestly. You have no idea my level of knowledge. So really tell me the point of making a slide stop ambidextrous if the only reason it exists is to disassemble the gun? The take down lever isn't ambidextrous. Your logic escapes me.

edit: Keep in mind I am not an engineer and gunsmith as you say you are. I am a former tool maker so my level of knowledge would be much greater than yours in many ways on certain topics.

edit 2: My RAP seems to be of the same material as my glocks slide stops. Tell me how I have been releasing the slides on multiple guns since the 80's without damaging the slide stops past wearing off some paint?
Simply put, it is ambidextrous so that us 10%ers (lefties) can lock the slide with our left thumb. just saying.
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my response to your points

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Things the owner's manual also says:
(1) Always use the lock. I do, I have grandchildren and am never going to endanger them
(2) Do not modify the gun in any way or use any aftermarket parts on Ruger firearms. I agree
(3) Never use reloaded ammo. I do not follow this rule as I have been reloading for 50 years and think I pretty well understand each and every part of the process.
(4) Wash your hands thoroughly after cleaning, shooting, or handing ammo.It would be stupid not to due to the dangers of lead and other chemicals.
(5) Lock the slide back before inserting magazines with round in them into the gun. i agree
(6) Only load the gun right before shooting and unload it immediately afterward. Guns should never be kept / stored loaded. in my case, in the evening it goes with the mag in, in loaded condition for personal defense issue. I have been doing this for 50 years as well and feel it is the responsible way to handle home defense
(7) Ammo should be stored separate from the gun. Except for the mag in the pistol, all my ammo is stored in a separate part of the house that is hopefully less prone to fire
(8) Carry the gun with an unloaded chamber. I do.
(9) Use a 3/16" pointed wooden towel to clear jams. Got me there, I use a polymer dowel
(10) Don't remove the fire control insert chassis from the frame. I have taken armourers classes from several manufacturers, I will take one from ruger when they are offered. at that time I will fell qualified to go to that level in the pistol.
(11) Check your barrel bore every time before shooting. of course.
(12) Never transport a loaded firearm. I have a carry permit and feel that if the state feels me safe to carry loaded the manufacturer most likely would too
(13) Thoroughly read the owner's manual before operating the gun. I do and did with this, it allowed me to not be frustrated or break my pistol when I took the palm swell off for the first time

I'm sure I missed some stuff. Ever find yourself not following any of these important instructions? I assume not since you're such a stickler for the "rules". After all, owner's manuals are obviously written by engineers and not lawyers, right? ( In the profession I was in, I wrote operational instructions for 30 years. We found that virtually all of the questions posed to technical support (who I worked for were due to simply not reading and understanding the simply written instructions I worked so hard on. Slingshotting is slow and requires two hands. People have been using the slide stop / catch / release / whatever-you-call-it to drop the slide for countless decades. And have broken countless parts and or had a failure at a crucial time for doing it. I find it hard to believe that I'm going to damage the pistol or quickly wear out the parts... if so, there is a real problem with the durability of the parts. Parts are made to work within design specifications, if you choose not to use it that way, you are going to break parts and scream at ruger for improper manufacture. If they eventually wear over time... well, then I'll replace the worn parts.

To each his own.
please see my counterpoints to your notes inserted next to each of them above.
and I agree, to each his own. my way is to follow as many of the rules as I can as a result, in 60 years of shooting and owning firearms, I have never had one fail or break. I still have a single shot marlin in my vault that I was given on my 7th birthday. It has never ever failed. I have had two firearms fail in that time period, both were due to factory faults and were both subject to recalls (my glock 42 and a remington 788 .44 mag rifle.
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............. And I know others have mentioned it, but it is a slide lock, not a slide release.
.........The manual says not to use it to release the slide. Just saying.
In my Ruger American Pistol purchased May 2016 my manual refers to that control as a Slide Stop, neither a slide lock and or slide release.

My manual also states:

"6. Hold the pistol firmly in the shooting hand but do not touch the trigger. Keep the pistol pointed in a safe direction. With the other hand, grasp the rear of the slide and pull the slide to the rear as far as it will go (see Figure 4, below and “Slide Retraction Warning,” p. 19). When released, the slide will fly forward to strip the top cartridge from the magazine and chamber it."

The manual Does Not state or instruct anywhere: ..not to use it (the slide stop) to release the slide.

If it did I wouldn't. But it makes no note or mention of not to release the slide via that means thus I will continue to use the slide stop to release the slide when chambering a round.
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Found this info on another forum and well it makes sense to me so I though I would share it here....

"An interesting claim was made by an ex-Ruger employee on another forum. I don't have the resources to test his assertion but it sounds reasonable given his explanation.

Assertion:
The slide velocity can actually be higher when the gun is fired and it's chambering a fresh round from the magazine than when it's dropped on an empty chamber.

Explanation:
Although it's true that the slide velocity is slowed somewhat by the force required to strip the round from the magazine and push it into the chamber, it's also true that the slide in some autopistols gets added forward velocity from the "bounce" off the stop during the firing cycle.

He claimed to have seen high-speed video that confirmed this explanation. Obviously he hasn't seen high-speed video on all the autopistols on the market so even if we accept his assertion at face value it's not possible to say that it applies across the board regardless of the type of pistol."

Still, it's an interesting and thought-provoking claim.
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In my Ruger American Pistol purchased May 2016 my manual refers to that control as a Slide Stop, neither a slide lock and or slide release.

My manual also states:

"6. Hold the pistol firmly in the shooting hand but do not touch the trigger. Keep the pistol pointed in a safe direction. With the other hand, grasp the rear of the slide and pull the slide to the rear as far as it will go (see Figure 4, below and “Slide Retraction Warning,” p. 19). When released, the slide will fly forward to strip the top cartridge from the magazine and chamber it."

The manual Does Not state or instruct anywhere: ..not to use it (the slide stop) to release the slide.

If it did I wouldn't. But it makes no note or mention of not to release the slide via that means thus I will continue to use the slide stop to release the slide when chambering a round.
I will grant you that it does say slide stop. It does not say slide release. so it should be a given that if it does not say that, it is not intended to be used that way. You say if it does not specifically say not to use it that way, that you are going to. so, my friend, If your mind was already made up, why did you waste everyones time asking a question you had already made up your mind on? Just curious .
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please see my counterpoints to your notes inserted next to each of them above.
and I agree, to each his own. my way is to follow as many of the rules as I can as a result, in 60 years of shooting and owning firearms, I have never had one fail or break. I still have a single shot marlin in my vault that I was given on my 7th birthday. It has never ever failed. I have had two firearms fail in that time period, both were due to factory faults and were both subject to recalls (my glock 42 and a remington 788 .44 mag rifle.
All fair enough if that's how you do it. I see nothing wrong with that. However:

(1) Always use the lock.

I have never once in 20+ years used one of the locks. I have a safe now. Before I owned one, they would still be unlocked.

(2) Do not modify the gun in any way or use any aftermarket parts on Ruger firearms.

I already have an aftermarket guiderod with a lighter spring to use for light competition loads. The only reason more people don't use aftermarket parts on their Rugers is because there are so few aftermarket parts available.

(3) Never use reloaded ammo.

I can't afford factory ammo.

(4) Wash your hands thoroughly after cleaning, shooting, or handing ammo.

Every time I go to the range, I observe that I seem to be the only one who washes his hands afterward. I can almost guarantee that 95% of the people who "handle ammo" without shooting do not do so.

(5) Lock the slide back before inserting magazines with round in them into the gun.

Tactical reload? Topping off the mag?

(6) Only load the gun right before shooting and unload it immediately afterward. Guns should never be kept / stored loaded.

My home defense pistols almost never get unloaded. Ever.

(7) Ammo should be stored separate from the gun.

I keep spare ammo and extra loaded mags right next to my loaded pistols.

(8) Carry the gun with an unloaded chamber.

We will have to agree to disagree here. I think that carrying with an empty chamber is a monumentally bad idea in a defensive pistol.

(9) Use a 3/16" pointed wooden towel to clear jams.

The way the manual reads, we aren't just talking about clearing squibs... it seems like it's talking about all jams, which confuses me.

(10) Don't remove the fire control insert chassis from the frame.

It doesn't take a lot of skill to take it out or put it back as long as you learn what you're doing first. I would agree that an armorer's course would be nice, but Ruger doesn't seem to be very forthcoming with them.

(11) Check your barrel bore every time before shooting.

Unless I get a squib, I don't think I've very checked a bore for obstruction before shooting. Do you think that everyone at the range looks down the barrel before beginning to fire?

(12) Never transport a loaded firearm.

For defensive purposes, an empty gun is a paperweight.

(13) Thoroughly read the owner's manual before operating the gun.

I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't have even taking the manual out of the sleeve in the case if it wasn't for the fact that I was curious what it says specifically because of this thread.

As you can see, I'm not exactly Mr. Follow-The-Rules when it comes to all this stuff. I also don't think that I'm unreasonably unsafe either. Perhaps you disagree, and like I said, that's fair enough. I do think, though, that I'm probably more like the average gun owner than not.
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......, why did you waste everyones time asking a question you had already made up your mind on? Just curious .
I believe that you have me confused with another forum member.

I never did ask a question concerning any off this........hence I have wasted NO ONE's time.
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I believe that you have me confused with another forum member.

I never did ask a question concerning any off this........hence I have wasted NO ONE's time.
apology, I ,must've got confused somewhere in the chain. I am old and get confused sometimes. have a great weekend.
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apology, I ,must've got confused somewhere in the chain. I am old and get confused sometimes. have a great weekend.
You enjoy as well~!
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I'm new on the RUGER Forum and am a bit confused as to how to post to the correct string. BUT, I too have a new RAP compact in 9mm. I am having lots of issues. It was returned once and the complete recoil assembly was sent another time. After the assembly fell apart while cleaning. I shoot 5 pistols. Some larger and some smaller. It is the hardest to rack of the bunch. Both my 1911 and my full size M&P 9mm are much easier. I tried a 9mm AMERICAN at my range and it too seemed easier. I believe RUGER has a design issue with this pistol. I was told, by customer, that it was hard because it was the same as the 40 cal. What? Do they even make one. Perhaps she meant 45 cal. I have had it to the range 4 times. It broke twice and the third issue was when it fell apart while cleaning. I thing the brand new spring set lasted 10-12 rounds today. I use the 17 round magazines BTW. If this pistol was used in a self defense situation it might not end well. Guess I had better box the pistol and start the letter/email correspondence. Not happy about this. My old RUGER MK II (and yes I can clean it) pretty much shames the new RAPc. How about it RUGER Engineering? Tom
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Interesting (for the most part) thread.

With 3000 rounds through my full-sized test sample 9mm, only three shooter-induced glitches, short-stroking the trigger re-set.

Re the slide stop-
Normally I don't, but throughout this run I'm using nothing but the slide stop as a slide release.

The gun just heats up too much to be touching the slide.
So far, no undue wear.
Just saying there are occasions where over-handing & sling-shotting (two different approaches) may not be advisable.

The new S&W M&P does essentially the same thing with its non-functional right-side slide lock.
I can't drop the slide with it at all.
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Since Ruger call it an ambidextrous magazine release and slide stop that can be operated with either hand - I would suggest it is not functioning as designed. Call Ruger customer service, to arrange to have it fixed.
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Dennis, put a drop of oil on the edge of that M&P slide stop, and it will wear in and function beautifully.
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