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Old October 26th, 2016, 11:34 AM   #16
 
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I do wonder why they would put it on both sides if it was not intended to be used to release the slide.

My problem with a 45 RAP is not releasing the slide but rather having the slide hold back after the last round. I have perhaps 250 rounds through the pistol, and it frequently does not hold back on the last shot. It also frequently does not hold back if I manually pull back the slide when an empty magazine in in place. When the slide does remain to the rear, there is but a very little bit of contact between the slide and the slide stop. The magazine (5 different Ruger magazines) seem not to have the strength necessary to push up the slide stop.

Is this a problem that is common with this pistol or is it something that Ruger can fix if I send the pistol back to them?



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Old October 26th, 2016, 12:06 PM   #17
 
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I do wonder why they would put it on both sides if it was not intended to be used to release the slide.

My problem with a 45 RAP is not releasing the slide but rather having the slide hold back after the last round. I have perhaps 250 rounds through the pistol, and it frequently does not hold back on the last shot. It also frequently does not hold back if I manually pull back the slide when an empty magazine in in place. When the slide does remain to the rear, there is but a very little bit of contact between the slide and the slide stop. The magazine (5 different Ruger magazines) seem not to have the strength necessary to push up the slide stop.

Is this a problem that is common with this pistol or is it something that Ruger can fix if I send the pistol back to them?

I dunno, maybe because if you are left handed, have no mag in the pistol and you want to lock the slide back you grip the pistol in your left hand as usual, use your right hand to move the slide back as usual and use your left thumb to lock the slide open because your left thumb is right there by the button/lever?

I've always heard that lefties hate having to lock the slide back with a left side lever/button.

Location doesn't mean it was meant as a slide release.

Your issues with LRHO sounds like something you should talk to Ruger about.
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Inserting magazine racks the slide

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Slam a full mag in it the slide will release.
Same thing happens with my 9mm RAP. Is this normal?
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Same thing happens with my 9mm RAP. Is this normal?
Yes.

And it happens with most other semi auto pistols and rifles.
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I bought a RAP 3 9mm weeks ago

I'm wondering if its me or the pistol but, the slide release is ambidextrous, I used the use the left one to release the slide as I did with my others pistols but it seem that the right one dosent work... I tryed a couple of time with no success...never release the slide..

so my question is, does the right slide release should release the slide as the left one does?

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bottom line, it is not a slide release it is a slide lock (or latch), you can release it that way if you wish, but ruger says not to. Just pull back on the slide and slingshot it!.
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Same thing happens with my 9mm RAP. Is this normal?
I don't know if it is normal or not, but mine doesn't
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I don't know if it is normal or not, but mine doesn't
Then you aren't hitting it hard enough.

It's a matter of pure physics. If you slam a mag in place hard enough, the force will release the slide.

It happens because you are using more force when you hit the pistol grip (10-20 lbs?) than the force of the slide lock spring (3-4 lbs plus the friction on the metal surfaces).

Most of Ruger's manuals have a warning that states that.

Many people believe that having the slide slam shut after they forcible insert a mag is a handy feature.
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Then you aren't hitting it hard enough.

It's a matter of pure physics. If you slam a mag in place hard enough, the force will release the slide.

It happens because you are using more force when you hit the pistol grip (10-20 lbs?) than the force of the slide lock spring (3-4 lbs plus the friction on the metal surfaces).

Most of Ruger's manuals have a warning that states that.

Many people believe that having the slide slam shut after they forcible insert a mag is a handy feature.
Thanks, but no thanks, I will just stick with slingshotting the slide shut. Works just fine for me.
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bottom line, it is not a slide release it is a slide lock (or latch), you can release it that way if you wish, but ruger says not to. Just pull back on the slide and slingshot it!.
Things the owner's manual also says:
(1) Always use the lock.
(2) Do not modify the gun in any way or use any aftermarket parts on Ruger firearms.
(3) Never use reloaded ammo.
(4) Wash your hands thoroughly after cleaning, shooting, or handing ammo.
(5) Lock the slide back before inserting magazines with round in them into the gun.
(6) Only load the gun right before shooting and unload it immediately afterward. Guns should never be kept / stored loaded.
(7) Ammo should be stored separate from the gun.
(8) Carry the gun with an unloaded chamber.
(9) Use a 3/16" pointed wooden towel to clear jams.
(10) Don't remove the fire control insert chassis from the frame.
(11) Check your barrel bore every time before shooting.
(12) Never transport a loaded firearm.
(13) Thoroughly read the owner's manual before operating the gun.

I'm sure I missed some stuff. Ever find yourself not following any of these important instructions? I assume not since you're such a stickler for the "rules". After all, owner's manuals are obviously written by engineers and not lawyers, right? Slingshotting is slow and requires two hands. People have been using the slide stop / catch / release / whatever-you-call-it to drop the slide for countless decades. I find it hard to believe that I'm going to damage the pistol or quickly wear out the parts... if so, there is a real problem with the durability of the parts. If they eventually wear over time... well, then I'll replace the worn parts.

To each his own.

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Thanks, but no thanks, I will just stick with slingshotting the slide shut. Works just fine for me.
Which is what I always do. I was being sarcastic.

My hands are big enough that I can insert a magazine and with my index finger and thumb lock it into place easily.

On all of my pistols the mags lock in easily. I believe it is because I don't slam the mags or use the slide lock as a release.
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Not to mention that I fail to see how chambering a round by slamming the mag home is less problematic in whatever way people feel that thumbing the slide lock supposedly is.
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Not to mention that I fail to see how chambering a round by slamming the mag home is less problematic in whatever way people feel that thumbing the slide lock supposedly is.
Except slingshotting doesn't cause the same wear on the slide lock part.
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Except slingshotting doesn't cause the same wear on the slide lock part.
Never said it did... I was speaking to the suggestion by another that you can just slam the mag home a skip the issue entirely.

Plus the reality is how much wear is it really going to cause? Sling-shotting might not cause the same amount of wear. Of course, not dry-firing will save wear on the gun. Not working the slide will save wear on the gun. Not loading the mags will save wear on the gun. Not shooting it at all will save wear on the gun.

Let me do some math. 17 round in the mag = one slide release. That means 500 slide releases is 8,500 rounds fired. Round it down to 8,000 for the sake of extras during training and downloaded mags and such. That's about $2000 worth of ammo. Everyone says Rugers are built like tanks. Even if the part only lasts for 500 slide releases (which I hope would last at least that long, if not much much longer), I can afford the cost of a replacement part considering how much I would have to spend in ammo just to get there. Plus I am reasonably certain that Ruger would replace the part free of charge based on my past experience with their stellar customer service.

IMO, sling-shot or over-hand or thumb the slide lock... do whatever works for you. There are better things to worry about than the possible wear that you are causing on the lever.
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Never said it did... I was speaking to the suggestion by another that you can just slam the mag home a skip the issue entirely.
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IMO, sling-shot or over-hand or thumb the slide lock... do whatever works for you. There are better things to worry about than the possible wear that you are causing on the lever.
Aren't slingshot and overhand the same?

But the different methods each have different forces on the wear surfaces.

When you slingshot (either overhand of gripping the back of the slide), moving the slide back lets the slide lock lever drop on its own without the slide to lever metal to metal wear caused by the force of the recoil spring assembly.

Slamming a mag in place causing the slide lock lever to move against corresponding slide metal with the same wear force as pressing the lock lever down by hand. People have evidently done it enough that they say inserting a mag always causes the slide to close. Evidently they have worn some parts for that to be an issue.

And yes there may be better things to worry about.

But the different methods do affect wear on the different surfaces. You may or may not be able to get the spare parts. Some have claimed that spare parts for some of the P series pistols are hard to get, if available at all.
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Aren't slingshot and overhand the same?

But the different methods each have different forces on the wear surfaces.

When you slingshot (either overhand of gripping the back of the slide), moving the slide back lets the slide lock lever drop on its own without the slide to lever metal to metal wear caused by the force of the recoil spring assembly.

Slamming a mag in place causing the slide lock lever to move against corresponding slide metal with the same wear force as pressing the lock lever down by hand. People have evidently done it enough that they say inserting a mag always causes the slide to close. Evidently they have worn some parts for that to be an issue.

And yes there may be better things to worry about.

But the different methods do affect wear on the different surfaces. You may or may not be able to get the spare parts. Some have claimed that spare parts for some of the P series pistols are hard to get, if available at all.
Quite often, when people say "sling-shot", they mean pinching the rear of the slide between thumb and forefinger. In contract, the overhand method is grabbing the slide between the palm and four (non-thumb) fingers. At least, that's how I hear it.

My slide will go home nearly 100% of the time on my full-sized 9mm RAP with forceful insertion of the mag. It has done this since day one and only has about 300 rounds through it at this point (two range trips). I don't think it has anything to do with wear in a lot of cases. It probably has to do with geometry of parts along with the extra mass of the ambi slide lock. For others, it might be easier due to wear.

However, with properly designed, manufactured, and fitted slides and slide locks, the chance of wearing either of those two parts to the point where the slide in non-functional (specifically due to said wear) should be extremely low relative to other "wear parts" on the gun (recoil assembly and other springs, mags, strikers, etc.). Hard-core action pistol competition shooters have been putting millions of rounds through Glocks, 1911s, SIGs, Berettas, etc. for decades and slide stops are almost exclusively the method for charging a gun from slide-lock... and I don't hear of wearing out slide stop levers being something that happens frequently in guns with reasonable round-counts.

If Ruger, or any other manufacturer, REALLY wanted to avoid having customers use them to release the slides, they could either (1) remove the lever and require an empty mag be used to lock it back and a sling-shot method be used to release it, or (2) make the angle of the cut in the slide such that it would be nearly impossible to push the slide lock downward without first retracting the slide farther.

I will say, however, at least we are not arguing the "tactical" merits (or lack thereof) of fine versus gross motor skills. That line of conversation is one of the most painful since "it's a magazine, not a clip".
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