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Old August 16th, 2014, 06:14 AM   #1
 
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New LC9s guide rod issue and fix

Wanted to pass along some info to new LC9s (striker) owners. Also curious if any LC9s owners have had the problem I did with the guide rod head catching on the front of the slide and preventing a full return to battery?

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I sent my new pistol back to Ruger for this problem. They paid for shipping and I had my gun back in 5 days. Great service. My LC9s came back with a new guide rod that was different from the original. Note the forcing cone behind the guide rod head in the pic below. This cone centers the guide rod head in the slide hole during the last bit of forward slide travel to prevent a possible hang-up due to misalignment.

This forcing cone was not on my pistol when new in the box. I thought the cone shaped bit might have been left off my gun by mistake during manufacture, but I see other pics and video reviews online (like Hickok45) where the cone piece is not there either. It could be this is a redesign/fix that has already happened since the first batch of pistols. I'm not sure which is the case.

Did any of you who bought an LC9s get this forcing cone part included on your guide rod?





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Old August 16th, 2014, 06:53 AM   #2
 
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Thanks for the post. Very interesting info.
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I talked to a 'smith at Ruger yesterday and he said they have new guide rods with the coned end coming out to fix that"off center" problem.
I bought my s model this last Monday and it came with the flat keeper instead of the cone on the end of the rod and wore blisters on my thumbs getting the spring and keeper lined up enough to get the spring to install.
The guy said he would mail a new guide rod and spring to me as soon as production catches up.
I don't know how Ruger will handle the replacements for pistols already out there but if you have one of the old ones you might call Ruger and get on the mailing list for a new one.
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The old guide rod in the pistols with hammers worked just fine. Another case of trying to fix something that isn't broke?
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Did you read the Manual?? It says to center the keeper be assembly.
If I do as instructed I don't have any trouble with mine..
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Did you read the Manual?? It says to center the keeper be assembly.
If I do as instructed I don't have any trouble with mine..
I had the same problem with mine. I centered the guide rod, after realizing it was out of center and that solved the problem. The new guide rod would be nice have though.
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The more I see about the little idiosyncrasies of the LC9s makes me want to keep my LC9 even more. Anyone know why they even had to change the guide from what was on the LC9?
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Did you read the Manual?? It says to center the keeper be assembly.
If I do as instructed I don't have any trouble with mine..
I'm glad you haven't had a problem yet. I fired 250 rounds of PMC bronze 115gr FMJ with no malfunctions in my pistol before the most recent guide rod head/slide jam (just after reassembly) prompted me to call Ruger. They didn't say "center the spring" when I called. They authorized a return for repair.

I centered the head on the spring prior to every reassembly, which is necessary so you do not have difficulty reassembling the pistol, because if it is off center on the spring prior to placing the guide rod assembly back in the slide, the head may not be able to pass through the slide hole and you will not be able to compress the spring to seat the guide rod assembly in the barrel lug. You will note the manual says "Be sure the guide rod spring is centered on the guide rod head in order to easily install the guide rod sping assembly". It doesn't say "to prevent gun from becoming inoperable do to jam during slide cycling after reassembly". I don't think Ruger knew that was a possibility once you had successfully inserted the guide rod assembly and put the pistol back together.

This is a different and bigger issue than easy reassembly. It is either an issue of the rod working itself back out of center after being placed in the pistol during reassembly, or the rod simply being able to swing too much in one direction during slide cycling. If the guide rod head is off-center enough when the slide comes back forward, it can catch the front of the slide and prevent full return to battery. It is a hit and miss kind of occurrence.

According to boomer47's reply, this is a redesigned part, not just a piece that was missing in my gun. That means Ruger found a problem and redesigned the part, and they had the replacement already engineered and manufactured when I send my pistol back, so it was obviously an issue for others with the early versions.

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The more I see about the little idiosyncrasies of the LC9s makes me want to keep my LC9 even more. Anyone know why they even had to change the guide from what was on the LC9?
Not sure, but I am guessing the head at the end of the rod probably was intended to make reassembly easier and safer.

I think Ruger wanted the LC9s to have a stronger flat-wire recoil spring, maybe to handle +p ammo better (speculating) and may have decided a captive spring design with metal rod was better for that. Even with the guide rod assembly out of the gun there is significant spring tension against the head at the end of the rod, so that spring is pre-compressed some before you even start to compress it to seat it in the barrel lug. The new head prevents any accidental spring launches off the rod and into your eyeball, for example.


I will tell you this, though. I have 750+ rounds through my original DAO LC9. It took less than 50 rounds in the new LC9s to convince me I like the new pistol much better, guide rod issue aside. Rapid fire accuracy is much easier for me with the new trigger. If the new guide rod design eliminates the slide hang-up issue completely, which I will know in a few hundred more rounds, it will be my perfect CCW piece, the one I wished my original LC9 was.

And I get to keep the same excellent Garrett Industries Silent Thunder Fusion IWB holster my original LC9 has been riding in, so that is a bonus.

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No disrespect here and I have not seen one yet, but from what you all are tell me it appears the only things they have keep from the LC9 is possibly the same barrel and the profile, but it's still called the LC9 with an s.
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If you watched all of the Hicok45 video review of the LC9s, he did point out the same condition with his gun, that it did not fully go back into battery, when the slide was released easily, however he stated that in while shooting the gun, he had no problems.

Apparently Ruger decided that this was an issue and has come up with a redesigned end to the guide rod. At least they are being proactive with this new model. I would suggest all that have purchased the LC9s to call Ruger and ask for a new guide rod/recoil spring. They would be more likely to send it out, than incur the costs for shipping and labor to have you send the gun in to them.

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No disrespect here and I have not seen one yet, but from what you all are tell me it appears the only things they have keep from the LC9 is possibly the same barrel and the profile, but it's still called the LC9 with an s.
Yeah, I see what you are saying, but if you blindfolded me and put either my LC9 or LC9s in my hand, I doubt I would know which gun I had until I put my finger on the trigger. They feel like the same gun. They fit the same holsters and use the same magazines and other accessories (lasers/lights, etc). It seems more like an evolution of the model than a whole new gun to me. But I get your point.

Ruger isn't the only one that has done this, though. Glocks have actually changed quite a bit since the original G17, with new frame profiles, recoil spring styles, and various other bits, but they still use the same model numbers on the Generation 4 pistols, despite all the changes. HK and Sig give you completely different trigger systems to choose from in the same basic pistol with the same model number. They just add "DAK" or "LEM" or whatever after the model.

I am curious as hell about what the Ruger LC9XT might be, which is the other new patent Ruger filed for in addition to the LC9s. Nobody seems to know yet.

If by some chance (and i honestly have no idea) the XT was a longer barreled version of the LC9, say 4", with the same grip profile, like Springfield did with the XDS 4.0, AND it has the new striker trigger, that would be really tempting. Who am I kidding, I would totally buy it. It would conceal just as well IWB, but have a longer sight radius and be easier to shoot well with, and maybe have slightly better ballistics. That would be awesome, and annoying since I already bought the short version.

But it might be something totally different, who knows.
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If you watched all of the Hicok45 video review of the LC9s, he did point out the same condition with his gun
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I didn't watch the whole thing. Will now though. Thanks for the tip
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Ruger is renowned for putting guns out on the market that need at tweak or two. Peening in the SR9, front sight issues with the LC9, I believe there was an lcp recall, etc., etc. But they always seem to make it right. And that's what counts!
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I think when people get to pull the trigger of the new gun, many converts will develop.
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