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Old November 18th, 2015, 09:42 AM   #31
 
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I did a little research and it was a known issue affecting some of the center fire rifle caliber Henrys (30-30 and 45-70). It wasn't a problem on the pistol caliber Big Boy rifles. Not all rifles had the problem but it wasn't unique to my particular gun either. The rifle I'm talking about is the matte blued 45-70 with the ghost ring sight mounted on the receiver. The 30-30 version had reports of the same issue.
just to confirm, so far as you know, the 44 Henry Big Boy Steel isn't known to have the lever issue



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OP, Henry does in fact have outstanding customer service. You can call them during regular business hours and they will be happy to answer your questions.

Also, Henry does have some excellent instructional videos on their website that you should watch. There is one in particular that demonstrates the correct method for loading their lever guns. Following their procedure prevents having an issue with a lever popping open.

Also, I forgot about pistol caliber lever guns. A .44 magnums is in fact a straight walled cartridge that can be effective for deer hunting. I was at an LGS the other day, and they had a beautiful Big Boy Steel in .44. That might be a choice to consider. (Personally, though, I think I'd prefer .45-70).
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OP, Henry does in fact have outstanding customer service. You can call them during regular business hours and they will be happy to answer your questions.
took that advice and gave them a call .... the rep I spoke with acknowledged the problem and stated that they have made some internal changes to deal with the issue .... he said the problem was more pronounced with the 30-30 than with the 45-70 .... he said that with the 45-70 if you rotate the "Inner Magazine Tube" as you slide it in place and if you don't use plastic tipped bullets (specifically recommended against using Hornady MonoFlex or Nosler Ballistic Silvertip 45-70 Govt. 300gr BT or any other such bullet ) .... he said that with plastic tip bullets the chance of a problem is much greater, with regular lead or solid brass bullets the problem is extremely rare .... I can't explain it, just relaying what I was told
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just to confirm, so far as you know, the 44 Henry Big Boy Steel isn't known to have the lever issue
That is correct. No issues with the Big Boy or the Big Boy Steel. The issue seems to only affect the rifle caliber guns (30-30 & 45-70). FYI, I was NOT using polymer tipped bullets when I experienced the problem.

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based on the above info, I'm once again giving the Henry serious consideration .... I did check on the Browning BLR and it didn't appear that they offer one firing any caliber of straight wall cartridges
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That is correct. No issues with the Big Boy or the Big Boy Steel. The issue seems to only affect the rifle caliber guns (30-30 & 45-70). FYI, I was NOT using polymer tipped bullets when I experienced the problem.
interesting .... hopefully whatever mods they made to the inner workings of their rifles has resolved the issue (except for using polymer tipped bullets)
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took that advice and gave them a call .... the rep I spoke with acknowledged the problem and stated that they have made some internal changes to deal with the issue .... he said the problem was more pronounced with the 30-30 than with the 45-70 .... he said that with the 45-70 if you rotate the "Inner Magazine Tube" as you slide it in place and if you don't use plastic tipped bullets (specifically recommended against using Hornady MonoFlex or Nosler Ballistic Silvertip 45-70 Govt. 300gr BT or any other such bullet ) .... he said that with plastic tip bullets the chance of a problem is much greater, with regular lead or solid brass bullets the problem is extremely rare .... I can't explain it, just relaying what I was told

apparently something has changed in the last month .... needing info as to the availability of a lever with a larger loop for their 45-70, I decided to ask about the Hornady Flex again ..... the fellow I spoke with acknowledged that some of their earlier edition 45-70 had problems with Hornady's 325 gr FTX® LEVERevolution® bullets .... he didn't go into detail about the problems or what they have done to resolve them .... he did say that it is a very good bullet, one that can aid in flattening out the trajectory of a 45-80 .... he also said that only a small percentage of their rifles still experience issues .... he recommended buying a box and giving them a try .... he said you can quickly tell if they will perform well or not .... that makes sense to me but I'm glad I have some time to do more research on 45-70 ammo .... as noted, we will reload for ours so we have a pretty good range of components to pick from
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I have had two Henry .45-70s. The first was the older peep sight model. The lever would pop open slightly when you load 405 grainers unless you held it closed with your left hand. Other than that the rifle worked flawlessly. Fit and finish were very good but I never liked the rear peep. I ordered a set of smaller apertures and eventually found one small enough to get fairly good accuracy at 100 yards but was concerned about the sight picture being too small at closer charging bear ranges.

While researching a .357 Magnum Henry lever gun, which I ended up buying, I noticed my .45-70 now was shown with a rear semi-buckhorn sight. Something I had always preferred and thought more period authentic. I contacted Henry and asked if I could have mine upgraded to the new sight and they told me sure, well do it under warranty and they sent me a call tag. Warranty? Wow! I tracked the rifle back to them and within two or three days of it being signed for at Henry they called to tell me it couldn't be fixed and they were giving me a brand new rifle. A few days later I got a brand new .45-70 with the semi buckhorn rear I had always wanted with a different style barrel band that secures the magazine tube to the barrel. I could not for the life of me figure out how I had gotten so lucky to get a new rifle free, but have since discovered there were issues with the original, plastic if I remember correctly, barrel band binding on the magazine tube and sometimes loosening under heavy recoil. The new barrel band does neither and the semi buckhorn sighted model no longer pops the lever open when loading. So, they def. "fixed" the problem. Amazing customer service, fast quick response. A beautiful rifle, both of them. I think I mentioned I bought the .357 magnum Henry and could not be happier with it as well. I would not hesitate to buy another Henry.
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I contacted Henry and asked if I could have mine upgraded to the new sight and they told me sure, well do it under warranty and they sent me a call tag. Warranty? Wow! I tracked the rifle back to them and within two or three days of it being signed for at Henry they called to tell me it couldn't be fixed and they were giving me a brand new rifle. A few days later I got a brand new .45-70 with the semi buckhorn rear I had always wanted with a different style barrel band that secures the magazine tube to the barrel.

So, they def. "fixed" the problem. Amazing customer service, fast quick response.

OUTSTANDING .... your personal experience is truly appreciated .... would you consider putting a scope on your 45-70 ? .... how would you access the recoil ? .... have you tried any Hornady MonoFlex Bullets ? ....
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OUTSTANDING .... your personal experience is truly appreciated .... would you consider putting a scope on your 45-70 ? .... how would you access the recoil ? .... have you tried any Hornady MonoFlex Bullets ? ....
I had considered scoping it and hear they are quite accurate that way, but wanted a jeep gun I could take out hiking or Huckleberry picking for close range bear protection. Wanted to keep it a knock about gun.

When I had the peep sight model I contacted Leupold and found out the Henry H010 .45-70 utilized the same scope mounting base as the Marlin 336. They recommended the Quick release model as being stouter for that caliber, part number 54229 and rings in medium height #49931 (30 mm) or #49974 ( 1 inch). Was looking at something in a 1-6x or 2-7x. Now I'm happy with the semi buckhorn and comfortable with it up to 100 yards or so.

Recoil is not bad at all. They give you a really nice recoil pad. I think my Mossberg 500 synthetic stock shot gun shooting high base shells is harder on me. The ammo I usually shoot are 405 grain cast, but I have fired 325 grain FTX Hornady LEVERevolutions flex tips with no problems.
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I had considered scoping it and hear they are quite accurate that way, but wanted a jeep gun I could take out hiking or Huckleberry picking for close range bear protection. Wanted to keep it a knock about gun.

When I had the peep sight model I contacted Leupold and found out the Henry H010 .45-70 utilized the same scope mounting base as the Marlin 336. They recommended the Quick release model as being stouter for that caliber, part number 54229 and rings in medium height #49931 (30 mm) or #49974 ( 1 inch). Was looking at something in a 1-6x or 2-7x. Now I'm happy with the semi buckhorn and comfortable with it up to 100 yards or so.

Recoil is not bad at all. They give you a really nice recoil pad. I think my Mossberg 500 synthetic stock shot gun shooting high base shells is harder on me. The ammo I usually shoot are 405 grain cast, but I have fired 325 grain FTX Hornady LEVERevolutions flex tips with no problems.
10-4 on a Jeep Gun .... thanks for the Leupold numbers, having them will be a good starting point if/when look for a scope .... a 405 grain bullet out of a 45-70 should be a formidable round capable of taking down most anything it comes in contact with .... good to hear that the FTX's have preformed well in your H010 .... assessment of their OEM recoil pad is appreciated .... on the brass model they don't list a pad, rather a solid brass plate .... that has to magnify the recoil .... in the picture at this link, is the way they attach the magazine to the barrel correct ?
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Yes, that is the new tubular magazine mount and yes mine is blued thus the recoil pad. I shot a friends .45-70 with no recoil pad and that was brutal from a rest.

My .357 magnum has the brass receiver and brass butt plate but the recoil is much less in that caliber. Brass however is a pain to clean, lol. You clean it and oil it and then wipe it down to put it back in the safe.....but then you can't seem to stop polishing it. Eagle One "Nevr-Dull" Wadding Polish works great on the brass. But with the blued .45-70 a quick clean and wipe and your done.
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Yes, that is the new tubular magazine mount and yes mine is blued thus the recoil pad. I shot a friends .45-70 with no recoil pad and that was brutal from a rest.

My .357 magnum has the brass receiver and brass butt plate but the recoil is much less in that caliber. Brass however is a pain to clean, lol. You clean it and oil it and then wipe it down to put it back in the safe.....but then you can't seem to stop polishing it. Eagle One "Nevr-Dull" Wadding Polish works great on the brass. But with the blued .45-70 a quick clean and wipe and your done.

have you ever taken the receiver apart for cleaning ?
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JEBar I am making a comment after much has been said, but I would prefer first to get a Marlin 1895 45/70 over the Henry because simply I have more expercence with the Marlin vs the Henry. But I wouldn't turn either rifle down. But I did see a You Tube video on a fellows Henry 30/30 that the rifle had a tendency of the action locking up due to the lever slipping down after a cartridge has been chambered! He had sent his Henry back for repair and his Henry was still doing the same thing. Maybe Henry has resolved this problem. I like the Brass receiver but its too darn pretty to take out and get it scratched up. If I was going to buy a new Henry I would get a Steel Receiver vs the Brass. Plus the steel is stronger and looks a ton better if you want to mount a scope! But the 45/70 has a vicious kick or recoil to it make sure you get a recoil pad installed so you do not get your should hurt!!! The 45/70 is a great round will kill any animal you might run into. I do wish you good luck!!!
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JEBar I am making a comment after much has been said, but I would prefer first to get a Marlin 1895 45/70 over the Henry because simply I have more expercence with the Marlin vs the Henry. But I wouldn't turn either rifle down. But I did see a You Tube video on a fellows Henry 30/30 that the rifle had a tendency of the action locking up due to the lever slipping down after a cartridge has been chambered! He had sent his Henry back for repair and his Henry was still doing the same thing. Maybe Henry has resolved this problem. I like the Brass receiver but its too darn pretty to take out and get it scratched up. If I was going to buy a new Henry I would get a Steel Receiver vs the Brass. Plus the steel is stronger and looks a ton better if you want to mount a scope! But the 45/70 has a vicious kick or recoil to it make sure you get a recoil pad installed so you do not get your should hurt!!! The 45/70 is a great round will kill any animal you might run into. I do wish you good luck!!!

thank you for taking the time to respond .... I saw some of the same issues listed on YouTube and the lever dropping down on both the 30-30 and 45-70 concerned me as well .... according to talking with a rep at Henry and folks who have them, they have corrected the problem .... I'm probably going to phrase this wrong and if I do, I'm sure someone will post a correction .... its my understanding that the problem was with the magazine and the way it put pressure on the internals .... they have changed the way the magazine is attached to the barrel .... from all I've heard, like Ruger, they are standing by their product and fixing or replacing any sent to them .... I'm told that the recoil pad that come standard on the steel 45-70 is a good one .... there are other things that can be done to assist in recoil reduction if the pad isn't sufficient for our likes
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