Ruger Forum

tonyex · March 7th, 2009, 04:59 PM

I have a Ruger model 96 in 17HMR. I don't know if they make one in bigger calibers. This years catalog doesn't even show a Model 96.

The top one is a Model 96

Travis Morgan · March 7th, 2009, 07:19 PM

I'd like to see a revolving rifle built from a Redhawk in -460, .480, and .500 S&W. Also, some western types built on the OM Vaquero frame.

LyndonCombs · March 9th, 2009, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Morgan

I'd like to see a revolving rifle built from a Redhawk in -460, .480, and .500 S&W. Also, some western types built on the OM Vaquero frame.

That would be interesting....

BIGBOOMER · March 9th, 2009, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by LyndonCombs

I would love to see one in other calibers. I would love it if they would come up with a gun similar to the 99, or Winchester that was produced in the 60's that was on a similar design. I wouldn't mind seeing a company picking up the Colt-Burgess design and manufacturing it.

I think any replicas of the Burgess design (It was used by several besides Colt: Marlin M81, Kennedy, Whitney, Whitney-Kennedy) should be left to the Italians. It was a pretty good design in its day, but was weak, even with modern metallurgy, and would not be suitable with modern smokeless cartridges. Same goes for Winchester M73 and M76. The strong ones of the 19th century were the Bullard, the Browning designed Winchesters, and the Savage 99.

The Win M86s and M95s are expensive to build and have already been reproduced by Browning and Winchester. The Win M92s are still being produced in Brazil and Italy. That leaves the Bullard, Savage 99 and Win M94.
A modernized reproduction of the Bullard would be interesting. It was strong and very, very smooth, but would probably also be very expensive to produce today. Ruger's current lever actions are obviously infuenced by the Savage 99, but I don't care much for them. I would like them much better if they had stayed truer to the Savage, but then of course they would be much more expensive.

Which brings us to the Win M94. Mossberg's M464 is an interesting redesign of the M94, but not very well executed at this point. From what I have heard there have been a lot of problems with them. Maybe if Ruger redesigned the M94, somewhat along the line of what Mossberg has done, but with higher quality, finish, and WALNUT stocks, and chambered it for 30/30, 35 Rem, 444 Marlin, 454 C, 460 S&W, 450 Marlin, and maybe Marlins two new Express cartridges, they might have a winner.

Best regards, BIGBOOMER

Travis Morgan · March 10th, 2009, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by LyndonCombs

That would be interesting....

Forgot the S&W X frame. I think it'd look best stuck on a TC style stock. How badass would a 16" .500 with speedloaders be for hoghunting?

Tork · March 12th, 2009, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by BIGBOOMER

I think any replicas of the Burgess design (It was used by several besides Colt: Marlin M81, Kennedy, Whitney, Whitney-Kennedy) should be left to the Italians. It was a pretty good design in its day, but was weak, even with modern metallurgy, and would not be suitable with modern smokeless cartridges. Same goes for Winchester M73 and M76. The strong ones of the 19th century were the Bullard, the Browning designed Winchesters, and the Savage 99.

The Win M86s and M95s are expensive to build and have already been reproduced by Browning and Winchester. The Win M92s are still being produced in Brazil and Italy. That leaves the Bullard, Savage 99 and Win M94.
A modernized reproduction of the Bullard would be interesting. It was strong and very, very smooth, but would probably also be very expensive to produce today. Ruger's current lever actions are obviously infuenced by the Savage 99, but I don't care much for them. I would like them much better if they had stayed truer to the Savage, but then of course they would be much more expensive.

Which brings us to the Win M94. Mossberg's M464 is an interesting redesign of the M94, but not very well executed at this point. From what I have heard there have been a lot of problems with them. Maybe if Ruger redesigned the M94, somewhat along the line of what Mossberg has done, but with higher quality, finish, and WALNUT stocks, and chambered it for 30/30, 35 Rem, 444 Marlin, 454 C, 460 S&W, 450 Marlin, and maybe Marlins two new Express cartridges, they might have a winner.
Best regards, BIGBOOMER

I agree BIGBOOMER. Ruger has a large following and done right with their name on it I think it would fly.
Cary

LyndonCombs · March 13th, 2009, 02:28 PM

Well that is baasically what Marlin did was to take a Burgess design and improve upon it unitl they now have the modern 94, and the 336. The Mossberg 464 is strong. They have had a problem with some of the estractors, but it is a good design that needs more calibers. I will be doind another article on the 464 soon. It has been rumored that late in 09 the Winchester 94 will be reintroduced. I am open to any new design Ruger might use. They just don't need to limit it the way they did their last design.

s5lin · March 30th, 2009, 04:03 PM

I really wish someone would make a 16" or 20" lever action chambered for 500 S&W or 460 S&W. Maybe not necesarily like a typical 92 style action, but something more along the lines of a savage 99. I'm getting kinda of tired of seeing all the 92 and 1886 clones. Anyone seen that Legacy is gonna now bring in the Armi Sport 1886 clone?

AJMD · June 23rd, 2009, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jmfc606

I too wish Ruger would make some more Leverguns. I'll start the caliber wishlist, Add what you want to see! I want a .41 Magnum

.327 Fed, or .32-20

.357 Mag, or .357 Max

. . . .or (hint - just rebarrel the 96/44) - .357/44 Bain & Davis..!

.40 S&W (yawn) or .44-40 or 10 mm Auto

.45 Colt, or .454 Casull, or (big pressures here) .460 S&W

.475 Linebaugh or (of course) .480 Ruger

.500 Linebaugh or .500 Smith&Wesson

Iowegan · June 24th, 2009, 05:56 AM

AJMD, Guess I'm old fashioned .... I like handgun cartridges in handguns and rifle cartridges in rifles. I do own a Marlin Mod 1894C in 357 Mag, although I'm not sure why. The 'ole 30-30 is a good match for a lever gun. My Marlin 336 is quite accurate, plenty of power for Bambi in all but extreme cases, and works just fine.

I would like to see Ruger make a lever on the order of an "old west" gun that would match well with their SA BHs and Vaqueros not a Mini-14 type carbine with a lever.

AJMD · June 24th, 2009, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Iowegan

AJMD, Guess I'm old fashioned .... I like handgun cartridges in handguns and rifle cartridges in rifles.

In many places (like where I live) you can't hunt deer with a rifle unless it is chambered in a 'handgun' cartridge. I really like my .444 Marlin and .35 Remington, but for whitetail under 100 yards there is no problem with the shorter, lighter gun in .44 Mag, so I just stick with it for hunting. The others are fun to shoot or peg a coyote with now and then, though!

Since they have the box magazine, though, it does seem like Ruger COULD make all the 'standard' rifle ones in a 96-type action, pointy bullets and all...

The LEAST work for them would be the .357/44 B&D, .45 Colt, and probably .357 Mag, though, just because the dimensions are so similar to the .44 Mags they already make.

BlkHawk73 · June 27th, 2009, 06:58 AM

The 99's never appealed to me. Got 3 lever guns here and all are Marlins (.35 rem, .32 mag, .41 mag). They just fit me.

Zealot · July 7th, 2009, 06:50 PM

I gotta agree about the .357 lever making a great companion to the wheel gun; sp, gp or single action. I actually emailed that very suggestion to Ruger just last week using the "Tell the CEO" feature on their website:

http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firear...-EmailCEO.html

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