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Old December 31st, 2013, 08:09 AM   #16
 
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I'm sure that Ruger has overbuilt the top strap to begin with, but to me the deeply cut rear sight dovetail makes me go Hmmm. Sure is a snazzy looking gun though. But I still prefer my early 2000's 6 inch stainless half shroud with the old style (not MIM) trigger and hammer. Don



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Old December 31st, 2013, 08:45 AM   #17
 
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"No, at least not at those prices. I would be more interested in making up a similar 4" GP100 out of one I already own. Slab side the barrel, contour the cylinder, reface the muzzle, cut a target crown, and trigger job with shims are all doable. Only aspect that would not be doable would be the Novak dovetail sights but then I prefer adjustable sights anyway so that's OK. I would probably bead blast the finish and use a different grip. Would make a fun project."

I agree. My GP already is tuned and has the Bowen rear sight which I prefer. I think one could mill the bevel on the top strap back to the rear sight ears readily. Somehow, to me, the Novak rear looks more at home on an auto. Another benefit is one can retain the front interchangeable sight system.
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I like the gun and it would be a buy for me except I already have a tuned GP 100. I am not sure why they went with a fixed front sight. Doesn't make much sense as that was a real feature on the GP 100. More a bean counter thing I think. For playing IDPA you really don't need an adjustable rear sight so that would be a plus for me. Good on Ruger and the gun sells for $200 less than the equivalent S&W 686 up here anyway. It will sell up here for sure. Ruger is making a play for IDPA attention and this gun will suit the purpose well. The GP 100 should stand up better in competition than the 686. Time will tell.

Next out should be a .45acp revolver. Smaller than the existing Redhawk though. That gun is to big for serious competition use.

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+1 on a .45ACP Ruger wheel gun.
It would keep me from buying a Smith 625
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Some associate the "Match Champion" with a "target" gun, may be useful to remember it isn't intended to be a target gun. Built for IDPA & carry use, where it'd be perfectly do-able even if it couldn't do any better than 4" at 25 yards.
Which it certainly can.

And, Ruger says the sight dovetail is not an issue. They've analyzed & tested it, does not create a problem in compromising the topstrap's strength.
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Some associate the "Match Champion" with a "target" gun, may be useful to remember it isn't intended to be a target gun. Built for IDPA & carry use, where it'd be perfectly do-able even if it couldn't do any better than 4" at 25 yards.
Which it certainly can.

And, Ruger says the sight dovetail is not an issue. They've analyzed & tested it, does not create a problem in compromising the topstrap's strength.
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Hey Denis - Since you've had the privilege of working with this one already I was wondering about the shimmed hammer and/or trigger. I seem to recall on another thread someone bought a new GP100 and either the hammer or trigger (or both - I don't remember now) had "shims" that looked like they were cast in the piece and not a separate set of actual shims. Does the new 1754 have actual shims or have they "shimmed" it by dressing/fitting tighter tolerances on these parts?

Did you do any disassembly on the one you shot or see any of the internals?

Also, has Ruger gone to MIM on the hammer and trigger like the SP101 or are they still casting these parts as before?
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GP 100 Match

Beautiful revolver. Ruger is smart in marketing this thing to knowlegable revolver shooters re; the specs. for this new product mention that it has an 11 degree muzzle crown. Bill Laughridge, of Cylinder and Slide, has written extensively about competition hand guns; and in his articles he never fails to mention that the single most important design criteria to the inherent accuracy of a handgun is the 11 degree muzzle crown.
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Ruger says both hammer & trigger are shimmed. I took the hammer out to check, genuine stainless steel washers, I have not removed the trigger assembly, but I'd assume same there.
I actually left the hammer shims out when I put the hammer back in. More trouble than they're worth in reassembly to me, lazy as I are.

There are MIM parts in the GP now, including the trigger. Ruger decided the necessary contours of a MIM hammer in the GP would be non-gorgeous enough to stick to cast hammers for the foreseeable future.

The MIM trigger face is rounded, and a definite improvement in that respect over the cast triggers. I've paid to have that done previously, the MIM moulds are constructed to drop the new triggers out with it already done & no sharp rear edges.
Ruger says that's common to all new GPs going forward, not just the MC.
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Best 5-shot 25-yard group off a rest was under an inch, which I don't ever recall doing with previous GPs.
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Some associate the "Match Champion" with a "target" gun, may be useful to remember it isn't intended to be a target gun. Built for IDPA & carry use, where it'd be perfectly do-able even if it couldn't do any better than 4" at 25 yards.
Which it certainly can.
I had to look up IDPA. I understand the low profile rear Novak sight, at least for a carry gun (or, I guess, for high level competition). I guess it all also depends a bit how closely the gun shoots to the point of aim.
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For most shooters under Master Class in IPSC/IDPA most of the "improvements" are nice features but make little difference in competition other than the shooter might think it makes a difference. It does squeeze a few more bucks out of the purchaser which is fair enough in the spirit of the free market. Personally I am a great fan of Ruger. They were the first to offer a 4.2 revolver for the Canadian market and said so in their catalog, something that has not been lost on Canadian shooters.

Three out of five of our regular shooters at our club shoot the GP 100 and it presently was used by both the Alberta and BC Provincial SSR IDPA Champions.

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Fixed rear sight = deal killer

As the owner of many Ruger revolvers, including a few GP-100's, I am bewildered that Ruger went to the trouble to make the cut, then installed a fixed rear sight. For any application that I can imagine, including competition, hunting and self-defense, one would want to be able to find a zero with the ammunition of choice.
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As the owner of many Ruger revolvers, including a few GP-100's, I am bewildered that Ruger went to the trouble to make the cut, then installed a fixed rear sight. For any application that I can imagine, including competition, hunting and self-defense, one would want to be able to find a zero with the ammunition of choice.
The reality is there isn't enough variance in impact point to worry about for any of the applications you list where this gun would be used. It isn't a target pistol and is aimed at the IDPA crowd where the maximum distance is 35 yards with most targets at 15 yards or less. The down Zero is 8 inches in diameter. Well it could be used for hunting I suspect the users primary reason for buying the gun will be self defense and competitions.

Of the guns I use for IPSC and IDPA that have adjustables I can say over the last 15 years or so I have yet to adjust the sights once they are set for one load. I haven't touched my sights on my GP 100 and I go from .357 to .38spl and never touch the rear sight for the shooting I do. Kinda like putting lip stick on a pig.

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Bob: I take your point. Competition, with some modest success, for many years in handgun silhouette has informed my ideas about accuracy. The better stability of heavier rounds at longer distances calls, in my experience, for sights that can adjust from lighter, higher trajectory rounds and also from competition rounds that may be tuned just to meet the requirements of a particular discipline. Ever if this were not so, why not an adjustable sight even if only as an option?
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You're not dealing with either long ranges or precise accuracy in an IDPA gun.
Totally different ballgame, and I think some are having a hard time understanding that.
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