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Old January 16th, 2016, 03:05 PM   #76
 
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The GP-100 is superior, IMO.

heavier built, no chance of the ejector rod backing out. Made for hotter loads. Better cylinder release mechanism.

Great front sight system.

just needs some trigger work to have it all over the smith. Smiths are good guns, and I like them, but when I consider getting a 357...its a Ruger.



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The GP-100 is superior, IMO.

heavier built, no chance of the ejector rod backing out. Made for hotter loads. Better cylinder release mechanism.

Great front sight system.

just needs some trigger work to have it all over the smith. Smiths are good guns, and I like them, but when I consider getting a 357...its a Ruger.
I agree. My 1st gun was a 6" ss gp 100. I could have purchased a smith, but my thought is this....you can make a trigger smoother. You can't make a frame stronger...and I don't mind the trigger on my gp 100.
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My own "home brew" comparisons of some of my S&W's against some of my Rugers, show that the "real world" performance is, well, exactly the same

I fired an NY-1 S&W 64-5 at 15 yards in DA, and then fired my NYPD Service Six. I couldn't tell the shot clusters apart from one another, neither showed any clear advantage over the other.

Also fired my super-slick 64-6 against a super-slick, tack driving GP100, both did about the same in quick DA "combat style" shooting at 10 yards.

The 4" .38 Special GP100 in the pic is bone stock, I've never even had it apart, and it's one of my VERY best shooting handguns, period, hands down. On a good day it will keep them all in the "orange" on a B-27 silhouette at 25 yards in DA, and all in the head in SA. Any of those misses in the picture were me pulling the shots, since I don't get out to shoot as much these days. I've shot this gun on sandbags and made ragged holes at 25 yards in single action.

The NY-1 and 64-6 in these pics were traded to get some Ruger Single Actions, not that the Smiths were bad, or that I now have some bias against S&W, I just felt it was redundant to keep guns that filled the same niche as my Rugers, that shot the same, and wouldn't get used as much as the Rugers. I also sold many of my S&W 64's, since, again, I have over a dozen Service Sixes, it was getting redundant.

That said I kept my 10-6 and 67-1, since they have more sentimental value to me, and still get fired here and there. I may use the 10-6 for some Practical Handgun matches since it's so accurate.

For me, S&W's are awesome for the range, for collecting and "nostalgia" but for heavy range shooting, carry, training etc. I use my Rugers.
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Well on my part as far as GP100 vs. 686 I bought a GP100 and at the same time bought a S&W 686 Competitor ( Performance center 686). I ended up always taking the less than $600 GP100 to the range almost every time over the 686 Competitor that I traded the $1200 competitor in on a Ruger Redhawk in 45 Colt and a Henry Big Boy Steel 45 Colt even trade. I think I came out ahead. To me the GP100 trigger and everything else was as good as the S&W.
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When I went to buy my first handgun I wanted a 38/357 revolver. At the LGS I was able to handle Taurus, S&W, and Ruger. The Taurus felt good but it wasn't for me. The SP101 was a bit too small for my mitt, the 686 didn't seem worth the extra $$$ and the Match Champion was perfect. Good size, good heft and smoothest action of the bunch. Put $300 down on it and applied for my permit. Three and a half months later I picked it up, gave it a thorough cleaning and took it to the range. Most fun for the money that I have ever had!
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Across the board S&W has a superior trigger system as far as feel and break. In fit and finish S&W has it as well. Ruger has more flaws, sharp corners, and tooling marks throughout. In the brushed finishes Ruger tends to be noticeably more coarse.

I like Ruger guns. They're relatively affordable and sturdy. That said as far as shooting goes a smooth linear trigger is everything and I'm a double action shooter.

If the gun was purchased with nothing but maximum loads in mind Ruger would be an option, but I'm not into that.

The SP101 is one of the first guns I ever fired. While it shoots well for a small 357 the J Magnums are just a lot less bulky with a more refined action.

The GP100 I like quite a bit, but for something that big and heavy you may as well get an N frame Smith. A six shot 357 N frame is a dream to shoot. Any Smith that I've found out of reach financially I've rectified by finding a clean used example.

The one Ruger I was closest to buying was an LCR 38. The trigger is great and they appear to be well made. In shooting back to back with an alloy J frame I found no difference in shooting and went with my preference. The fact that CTC makes a much improved LaserGrip for J frame vs the LCR was a plus.

Years ago I planned on getting a Super Redhawk .44 Mag and went as far as ordering a grip for it, but ultimately I got a pair of S&W N frames instead. The trigger and reduced bulk are worth the $100 (*ETA: the current price difference is less than $50) savings over the Ruger in my opinion. None of my Smiths have required any trigger work. It seems to have become a matter of routine for Ruger owners to kitchen table smith their guns to "improve" the trigger as well as aftermarket springs.

I didn't buy Smith & Wesson over perception, brand loyalty, or a name. I just like them best for my purposes.

For those that wax poetic over vintage S&W's I'm not seeing it. The 1980 and prior S&W's I have tend to have some minor cosmetic touches that are nice, but literally don't do anything better. I think perception often exceeds reality when people talk about their coveted vintage guns. I'm a pretty practical man and a well broke in modern Smith and Wesson is every bit as good as the models of old...if not better in some respects.

My rant over, quite simply my choice would be this:


Over this:


Every day plus Sunday.

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I collect Colts, own double-action pre-lock S&W revolvers, and own single-action Ruger revolvers. I have yet to find an S&W or Ruger semi-auto handgun that I would own. I own several Ruger rifles.

I would not choose a Ruger because it is stronger than an S&W or Colt. I tend to shoot standard pressure ammo in my handguns. If I need more power, I do not go to +P ammo, I go up in caliber. My handguns top out with a 7.5" Ruger Super Redhawk .454 Casull.
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My first revolvers were S&W. I had a 22/45 Ruger and knew if it was to be a great shooting pistol, it had to be modified. That is what I thought about all Rugers at that time.
Since I was already a member of the forum I read about the GP100s. I am glad I did and purchased a Security Six and then my two GP100s, a 5" and a 3".
GP 100s are now my first choice.
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Rick_a: Stock 686s do not come that shiny from the factory.
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Rick_a: Stock 686s do not come that shiny from the factory.
The gun in my post is a nickel model 27.
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Well I just made this decision last year. Price was not a consideration at all. With the plan to purchase 2 .357 mag revolvers (one 3" and one 6") the contenders were:

1) Ruger TALO Wiley Clapp GP100 3" Stainless

or

2) Smith and Wesson 686+ 3" Stainless

and for the 6" options:

1) Ruger TALO Unfluted GP100 6" Stainless

or

2) Smith and Wesson 686+ 6" Stainless


My end result was that I picked up both GP100's. This was a hard choice because I like the option of 7 rounds in the 686+ and I have owned in the past a fantastic Model 29 Classic 6.5" .44 mag and still do own a S&W 642.

I chose the TALO Rugers because I plan to use a steady diet of hot Buffalo Bore 180's and I didn't want to worry about shooting a revolver enough to have to have it retimed.

As far as looks go I think my 6" Unfluted is a prettier weapon than the 6" 686+. I think the Wiley Clapp 3" is a gorgeous weapon but the prettiest revolver made in my opinion is the 3" 686+. Something about it makes me drool, but the WC won the decision between the two.

So in the end it simply came down to handling ugly loads repeatedly without having to consider the future. Money wasn't an option as I paid more for the TALO's than I would have for the base model GP100's. They just fit my specific needs better.
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Just the label I reckon. No doubt there may be some internal engineering reasons that gunsmiths can appreciate. I own both types and prefer the Ruger.
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My overall choice is:

S&W's for nostalgia, collecting and occasional range shooting

Rugers for everything else....

I can take my GP100's to the range and bang away with as much ammo as I can afford and not have a care in the world.......

Heck I even clean them a couple times a year
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I bought my first GP100 in 1990. It had a 6" barrel. Kept the gun for 25 years. I remember paying $329 for it. I got a CCW in Ohio when they became available. I carried the GP100 for awhile until I got a Kimver. The Kimber we As much easier to carry with the shorter grip and 3" barrel. The problem was it was a pain to shoot. Along comes the Match Champion with a 4.2" barrel to keep our Canadian friends happy. The extra effort spent on the trigger was well worth it. So I traded in my GP100 for the Match Champion. Now I can carry my Ruger revolver with greater comfort (or less discomfort).
I never owned a S&W and don't plan to. Why my Ruger revolver meets my needs.
By the way I traded in my Kimber and replaced it with a SR1911 TALO NW. Had Novak replace the fixed rear sight With an adjustable night sight (best gun trade I ever made).
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Shot out a 629 pretty quickly.......loose as a goose, went the gp100 when choosing a 357, good as gold compared to my fellow 686 friends....

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