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Why do GP100's always seem to be "second" choice?

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Old October 16th, 2013, 06:28 AM   #31
 
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...if Clint had said "Me and Mr. Ruger" while drawing his Super Redhawk, it would have been even cooler.
In an alternate reality it would have been cool to have Inspector Callahan slowly draw his Redhawk and say, "Sturm-Ruger ... and me." Maybe someone out there can voice edit the scene and upload to youtube.



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Old October 16th, 2013, 07:27 AM   #32
 
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I have a GP100 and a 686-3...

Neither was a 'choice' as I inherited one, and the other was a gift...

I prefer the Ruger...
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Funny, when I went to buy my first revolver, I was intent on some type of Smith & Wesson J-Frame snubnose. I went to the LGS, held it and liked it. I was about to buy when I saw a Ruger SP101. I asked to try it out. It felt better in my hands and I believe it was a bit cheaper than whatever Smith I was considering. I went home with the Ruger.

That has happened a few times- I went to buy a Glock and came home with a SR9 because it felt great in my hand AND was cheaper (again!).

I think I looked at 686s for a larger frame revolver, but ended up with a GP because it felt better.

I still want some Smiths, I'm just not done buying Rugers They have converted me on many firearms!
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Old October 16th, 2013, 09:57 AM   #34
 
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FWIW I think the S&W revolvers definitely come with a little bit better trigger from the factory, and the L-frames are just the right size for carry if you're planning on practicing a lot with your carry piece and especially if you want to use full power ammo when doing so (that would be me)--if you're not then a J-frame would probably be a better choice. What I mean by that is that the L-frame is just thick enough that it can handle a steady diet of full-house .357 without any problem but it's absolutely no bigger (and therefore heavier) than it needs to be in order to do that and hold 6-7 rounds, which means it's ideal as a carry piece that you're going to shoot a lot of hot .357 in.

The GP100, on the other hand, is thicker and heavier than it needs to be (many see this as a good thing, I don't disagree depending on your needs), closer to an N-frame with regards to weight but closer to an L-frame with regards to size. Excess weight is easier to deal with (as regards carry) than excess size just by using a proper belt-holster combination, whereas excess size requires attire changes (over-sized shirts and pants, a jacket you wouldn't normally wear, etc.).

They're both excellent revolvers, it's just that each one has certain different advantages over the other and which one is the better choice for you depends on a lot of variables, mostly personal needs and objectives. The 686 is precisely as big as it needs to be if you want to carry it and practice regularly with full-power loads, plus it comes with a better (smoother and shorter travel) trigger from the factory, whereas the Ruger is over-engineered meaning it's more durable at the expense of weight, which is not a problem for a lot of people who either aren't going to carry it or who are perfectly happy to suffer the extra ounces and can deal with it. Also, it's easier to disassemble and maintain, plus that slightly-inferior-to-S&W trigger that I mentioned is very amenable to gunsmithing and "slicking up" so to speak and therefore easily correctable such that it can be made even better than a factory S&W trigger without too much trouble or expense, and then of course the real kicker is that the Ruger's typically $200+ cheaper.

Did I cover that pretty well?

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When I saw the title, I assumed you meant that single actions Blackhawks are first choice, double action GPs are second. What's an S&W, is that those old green stamps Mom collected from the grocery store?
Now you're showing your age. My sister and I used to sit and stick them in the little books after mom came home from the grocery store each week. Ahh, the good old days.
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I just wanted to add because I've seen several comments about the trigger and I agree that the GP comes with a less then perfect trigger I wouldn't consider it a bad trigger...WTS I was fortunate enough to know a very good "Ruger" smith and not only did he polish my GP and replace springs but I had him work on one of my Mini 14's and the first SP I bought needless to say those three Rugers will always be in my collection . So I think with just a little work and $ the GP can run easily with a 686 . I myself have added the 2" 686 model to my wants list but wouldn't sell one of my Rugers to get one

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My first choice was the GP100, a 4" stainless model with the black rubber grips. I have not regretted it. Smith makes a fine weapon and I am a little jealous of the 7th round but I love my Ruger GP100. It just feels right in my hands.
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I remember S&W Green Stamps. I came along at the tail end of those.
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Just got my GP100 today..It's a beauty...my first .357 revolver, and my first revolver in probably 30 years!!
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Ha, yeah, some people think so. Reminded me of the coffee shop scene in Sudden Impact:


If you ask me, if Clint had said "Me and Mr. Ruger" while drawing his Super Redhawk, it would have been even cooler.
Or "Sturm, Ruger and me"...
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I believe they were S&H Green Stamps, I always seem to go to the Ruger for my first choice. I tend to shoot a lot of High Powered Loads and The Ruger handgun will take it for 10,000 or more round with good dependable accuracy. My Dad has a 6" Colt Python and although it is a well built and nice shooting handgun I would still rather shoot my GP100s , the Colt belongs in a Gun Cab only to be shot once in a while. Replacing the Colt would be hard, getting another GP that shoots great is not that difficult.
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Never a second choice.....if people want more expensive guns that aren't as strong and don't last as long S&W is the choice for you

FWIW I own over a dozen Smith wheel guns ranging in age from 1919 to 2010, including a 586 and two 581's. they are fun range toys and beautiful guns but when the chips are down I'll take one of my GP's any day.

People say the S&W has a better trigger, the fact is probably 75% of those people aren't good enough shooters to gain any real world advantage with a "better trigger" when I can take a bone stock GP and put them all center mass at 15 yards....and don't see any difference with my S&W's....and I'm far from a crack shot.
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For me, the 686 and Smith&Wesson in general have a better "look" to them... I also think they do come with some amazing triggers for out of the box.

I retired my 686-4 because it was 20 years old, and I just didn't want to shoot it anymore.

I chose to replace it with a Ruger GP100, mainly because it just has the look of business. Like it will never let you down when you need it... it will keep on taking abuse for years to come. Not saying my S&W wouldnt.... but I just don't want to see my Smith all beat up

The GP100 trigger is "different", its not better or worse than my Smiths... just different. They are very smooth and work just as well as a Smith... just.... well, different. I am equally accurate with either system.

I hope that my GP100 will serve me many years with IDPA and USPSA.

Get both... seriously.
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Once you have a yoke screw work loose on you during a range session you won't look at S&W the same way again

I do like the newer S&W's, I have two 10-14's, and a 64-7 that I put lighter springs in and they shoot like a dream. Most of my Smiths are 10's and 64's, just like most of my Sixes and GP's are the fixed sight variety.

Rugers are tougher and cost less, I work for state corrections and wonder why they keep buying new S&W 64's when Ruger would gladly make a batch of 4" fixed sight .38 stainless GP's for less.
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Anybody else remember the S&W vs Ruger ads that started with Ruger saying thicker is better, referring to frame thickness between the 686 vs GP100, and Smith's follow up add with a revolver shaped hamburger with the tag line of thicker is better in something's but not gun frames? Pretty funny ad for the 1980's, my self if its a pre-lock 686, I would go for it but after that the Ruger wins by a small margin. imho


I think it's already been touched on a few times, but my two cents:

Smith & Wesson has established their name more firmly. I think if you asked 100 random people to name a revolver maker, S&W would be the most named. When you think revolver, you think Smith & Wesson, it's just how it is.

I do also think their guns are generally more attractive. They are a bit thinner (especially the top strap), and thus look more proportional (X-frames aside). Just look at any K, L or N framed gun with a medium length barrel, half lug, blue finish, and walnut target stocks. Those are the definition of a beautiful revolver.

In the 80's, when Taurus apparently never heard of intellectual property or copyrights, the guns they copied the look of were Colts and S&W's. They didn't make any Ruger-looking guns.

But really I think it comes down to name recognition in terms of why S&W are the first considered. But anyone doing research will also be aware of the Ruger products. If Ruger keeps offering good products at good prices, people will keep becoming more aware of them.

They will always be at a disadvantage in terms of history/brand recognition to companies like Colt, S&W, and Winchester. It's just how it is. But I imagine most of us became aware of Ruger in spite of that, because they made a good product we wanted and at a good price. As long as they keep doing that, they'll be fine.
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