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Old February 6th, 2012, 09:02 AM   #1
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A 454 Redhawk is NOT born.

Well, I tried to perform the Redhawk conversion to 454 from 45 Long Colt - sadly, I can't get it to work.

When I reassemble the Redhawk with the SRH 454 Cylinder, the action locks up and I am unable to pull the trigger in double action, or pull the hammer back in single action.

The pawl tries to lift the cylinder, but it doesn't seem to work.

Any ideas? Or do I just load up some Thor's Hammer 45 Colt loads and call it a day?



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Pardon me if my terminology is mixed up. I'm no smith, but do pretty well with mechanical stuff. Two things come to mind.

Is it possible that the dogs on the cylinder are too shallow for the pawl to cycle properly?

On my Alaskan, the hammer spring strut has to be put in facing the correct way. The round end is slightly offset to one side and will prevent the hammer from traveling all the way back if put in backwards. I can see the difference since I know it exists, but is small enough that I may not have noticed it myself.
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I was actually thinking of trying the swap again, but using the Pawl, Pawl Spring, and pawl plunger from my other Redhawk.
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I was actually thinking of trying the swap again, but using the Pawl, Pawl Spring, and pawl plunger from my other Redhawk.
I seem to remember that form member SNYD had to do that with his.

Go over to the Alaska Shooting Forum and search for his posts about it (same name). He was pretty detailed.
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Well, I tried to perform the Redhawk conversion to 454 from 45 Long Colt - sadly, I can't get it to work.

When I reassemble the Redhawk with the SRH 454 Cylinder, the action locks up and I am unable to pull the trigger in double action, or pull the hammer back in single action.

The pawl tries to lift the cylinder, but it doesn't seem to work.

Any ideas? Or do I just load up some Thor's Hammer 45 Colt loads and call it a day?
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I purchased a 51/2 inch redhawk in 45 colt in 1990 and I was informed by ther owner he had a machinist open the sylinder throat to chamber a 454. I never fired one in it. I owned a smith 25-5 in 45 colt in the late 70s and it would chamber a 454 easily and close with no problem. I always hoped no one was dumb enough to try that.
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Old February 6th, 2012, 03:19 PM   #7
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Thank you for your input, Snyd - definitely put my mind to ease before I committed to filing away a bit of metal.

Going to try it later tonight and post results.
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Let us know if you get it to work and what the problem was.
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As soon as the stone file set I ordered from Brownell's gets here, I'll update this thread - my standard woodworking files are far too coarse for this operation, and it'll take a million years of a microfiber polishing cloth and Mother's Mag to enough metal removed from the inside surface of the pawl.

They should be here Thursday or Friday.
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Be very careful. The Ruger Redhawk was designed for 44mag pressures. The 454 generates almost 20,000 psi more. the SRH is a much different and stronger steel than the RH and the frame is much stouter also.
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As soon as the stone file set I ordered from Brownell's gets here, I'll update this thread - my standard woodworking files are far too coarse for this operation, and it'll take a million years of a microfiber polishing cloth and Mother's Mag to enough metal removed from the inside surface of the pawl.

They should be here Thursday or Friday.
You might try a knife sharpening stone. I use them to smooth surfaces and take edges off small parts.

Never mind - I just saw the "inside" surface.

On second thought you might be able to use those stones for a Dremel -WITHOUT the Dremel.

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DT- if you don't mind my asking, I'm curious to understand why you're heading down this road?
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punkinlobber - I'm not worried about pressure, to be honest - the 454 SRH cylinder is made of a special steel alloy, and that's what contains the pressure from the cartridge firing. Also, gunsmiths have been converting the standard Redhawk to 454 Casull and 475 Linebaugh for years with no ill effects to the frame. Both the SRH and the Redhawk have the three point locking system.

Truthfully, I'll shoot far more 45 Colts out of it anyway, but it's nice to have the option of 454 Casull rounds - and 45 ACP, once I get the cylinder machined for moon clips.

Fungun - because I can. I like tinkering. And ever since I saw Snyd's 454 Redhawk, I fell in love. I love the 454 Casull round, but I just can't warm up to the rather odd look of the Super Redhawk, with the frame extension.

It's the same reason I prefer Redhawks and Security Sixes to the GP100's and SP101's - I just can't warm up to the 'grip peg' design. I know it's innovative and allows for a wider variety of grip designs than a standard grip frame, but it doesn't seem very "revolver-y" to me.

I'm a 27-year-old traditionalist, apparently.

ArsinWind - Good idea on the dremel wheel - I'll have to dig that out when I get home from work.
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Fungun - because I can. I like tinkering. And ever since I saw Snyd's 454 Redhawk, I fell in love. I love the 454 Casull round, but I just can't warm up to the rather odd look of the Super Redhawk, with the frame extension.

It's the same reason I prefer Redhawks and Security Sixes to the GP100's and SP101's - I just can't warm up to the 'grip peg' design. I know it's innovative and allows for a wider variety of grip designs than a standard grip frame, but it doesn't seem very "revolver-y" to me.

I'm a 27-year-old traditionalist, apparently.
I understand what you're saying about the looks, I don't mind it on the 9.5" barrel, and have no concerns about safety. I wish Ruger didn't discontinue the Casull in 9.5", I'd buy another, I think my first one is getting lonely
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Fungun - because I can. I like tinkering. And ever since I saw Snyd's 454 Redhawk, I fell in love. I love the 454 Casull round, but I just can't warm up to the rather odd look of the Super Redhawk, with the frame extension.

It's the same reason I prefer Redhawks and Security Sixes to the GP100's and SP101's - I just can't warm up to the 'grip peg' design. I know it's innovative and allows for a wider variety of grip designs than a standard grip frame, but it doesn't seem very "revolver-y" to me.

I'm a 27-year-old traditionalist, apparently.
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