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Old September 4th, 2011, 06:16 PM   #1
 
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trigger pull weight?

Just got a trigger pull gauge and the numbers suprised me a little. I expected them to be a little lighter. I have a gp100 and an sp101. I've done the Iowegan massage to both. Put a Wolff 10 lb hammer spring and a 10 lb trigger return spring in the gp100 and a 9 lb hammer spring with stock trigger spring in sp101. No light strikes with either. Pulls are smooth. GP100 measured at 10.75 lbs and sp101 at 10 lbs even.

Curious to know what you get with yours.



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Old September 4th, 2011, 07:30 PM   #2
 
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Sounds good for DA if smooth. The average working man should be able to pull at least twenty fives pounds with a good grip easy enough.
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It is an interesting phenomenon, but some guns with a heavier pull 'feel' lighter.
I've got a couple that I play that game with.
Everyone who has fired them swears they have a lighter pull than one other, but the gauge tells a different story.
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I have a DAO GPNY .38 Special GP100 that I put a clipped S&W trigger rebound spring in, to make the trigger return heavy and brisk. It has a very heavy DA pull but it's very smooth and I shoot very well with this gun.

Other GP100's I have with Wilson springs have a lighter pull, but aren't as smooth and have a "stagy" DA pull.

In short, the poundage of the trigger pull is irrelevant, it's the "smoothness" of the entire trigger stroke.

Sure, I have a Taurus with a light DA pull but it has a trigger pull like a cap gun. It doesn't mean it has a "sweet trigger"
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Just got a trigger pull gauge and the numbers suprised me a little. I expected them to be a little lighter. I have a gp100 and an sp101. I've done the Iowegan massage to both. Put a Wolff 10 lb hammer spring and a 10 lb trigger return spring in the gp100 and a 9 lb hammer spring with stock trigger spring in sp101. No light strikes with either. Pulls are smooth. GP100 measured at 10.75 lbs and sp101 at 10 lbs even.

Curious to know what you get with yours.
Although there can be a variance between different guns of the same make and model of a 1/2 lb or so, the numbers you quote above are right on the money for average in those weapons with the stated mods.
I would bet your SA drop to be right about 2 lb 10 oz too.
Whenever you see numbers that vary outside this norm by much you should view them with a large grain of salt.
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Trigger feel is subjective. Also depending on how high or low you place your finger on the trigger will change how it feels. Higher up and the trigger will feel heavier. Low down on the trigger and the pull will feel lighter but a bit longer.
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I just got back from shooting 3 revolvers, a S&W Model 10-14 I slicked up, a Security Six I added a Bullseye kit to and the GPNY I mentioned above with the very heavy but smooth DAO. Out of all of them I shot better by far with the GPNY
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Thanks Sal for the pull weight confirmation. Actually, my SA numbers are somewhat higher than 2lb 10 oz. My SP101 that has the stock trigger return spring measured 5 lbs SA and my GP100 which has the 10 lb return spring measured 4.5 lbs. I think my gauge is pretty accurate because I checked it against a Beretta 391 12 gauge that I had Seminole Gunworks do a trigger job on and it tested 3.25 lbs. Seminole's goal was 3.5.

Anyone else put a gauge on their double action revolver?
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Thanks Sal for the pull weight confirmation. Actually, my SA numbers are somewhat higher than 2lb 10 oz. My SP101 that has the stock trigger return spring measured 5 lbs SA and my GP100 which has the 10 lb return spring measured 4.5 lbs. I think my gauge is pretty accurate because I checked it against a Beretta 391 12 gauge that I had Seminole Gunworks do a trigger job on and it tested 3.25 lbs. Seminole's goal was 3.5.

Anyone else put a gauge on their double action revolver?
That heavy SA pull on the GP really surprises me. Did you do the polishing on the trigger sear as Iowegan discussed? If so and it bothers you I'd have a good revolver smith look at the sear/hammer engagement and have it tweaked a bit.
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That heavy SA pull on the GP really surprises me. Did you do the polishing on the trigger sear as Iowegan discussed? If so and it bothers you I'd have a good revolver smith look at the sear/hammer engagement and have it tweaked a bit.
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I felt like I polished it well. I don't often shoot my gp100 SA so I can't say that it bothers me much. However, I have noticed a spot where the hammer drags on the frame, as does the trigger, so I am going to go back in and touch a few things up. I will do some extra polishing when I do.

Interestingly, I have an old Smith 686-M that feels like it has the smoothest and lightest of any of my double actions. I've had rangmasters marvel at it. I put the gauge on it and found it to be 10.25 lbs., right between my two Rugers. Go figure.
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You might also want to consider installing some trigger and hammer shims to keep frame rub to a minimum and make the DA pull all that much smoother. I have these in mine,
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Lance and Tammy at Michigan Center Outdoors are super nice people to do business with and the shims are more than worth the $8-12 bucks they cost for the improvement they make.
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Thanks Sal, I'll order some shims. Which thickness shims do you suggest?
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Thanks Sal, I'll order some shims. Which thickness shims do you suggest?
Well you could measure the current endplay of the hammer and trigger with an automotive feeler gage set to determine exactly what you will need. Or you could just order the 8 pack $12 kit like I did. That includes 2 each of the .003 and .005 shims for both the trigger and hammer, that should cover anything you might need.
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Thanks Sal, I appreciate the help.
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I just got back from shooting 3 revolvers, a S&W Model 10-14 I slicked up, a Security Six I added a Bullseye kit to and the GPNY I mentioned above with the very heavy but smooth DAO. Out of all of them I shot better by far with the GPNY
I think a lot of this depends on the revolver and shooter. I am just the opposite of ServiceSix. I have a S&W model 10-14, GP100 and a Police Service Six. Out of the three my 10-14 is the one I shoot the best double action. I have had a action job done on my GP100 and my Service Six has see many more rounds than the other two but still my 10-14 is better. I have not had any work done on the 10-14. I bought it new.
Go figure.
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