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Old May 13th, 2017, 08:01 AM   #16
 
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yes my 3 inch group is off hand i only benched it at 50 yds that's when i started having issues. i will check to see if the diameter fits the barrel i never thought of that one. is there any hand load ammo that most of you guys find that the red hawk really likes? im just talking bullets not recipies
I, myself would be very happy with a 3 inch group at 50 yard off-hand. Personally at 50 yards I'm grouping about 5-6 inches and to the right. With my Redhawk. I'm still trying to find a good load for mine. Right now I'm shooting stuff I loaded for my Browning 92 rifle. I'm using Hornady 180gr XTP's and Hogdon H110 powder, about a grain and a half under suggested.(like I said these were loaded for a rifle).

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Old May 14th, 2017, 02:24 AM   #17
 
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I, myself would be very happy with a 3 inch group at 50 yard off-hand. Personally at 50 yards I'm grouping about 5-6 inches and to the right. With my Redhawk. I'm still trying to find a good load for mine. Right now I'm shooting stuff I loaded for my Browning 92 rifle. I'm using Hornady 180gr XTP's and Hogdon H110 powder, about a grain and a half under suggested.(like I said these were loaded for a rifle).

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I wanted to edit my info that I posted. I looked at my reloading journal last night and I'm actually 2 and a half grains under recommended for the rifle. I cut the load to reduce the nasty recoil of the firearm. I'm doing some loads this weekend and I'm going to start with the recommended charge for my Redhawk. I'll post the results.

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@ OP,. Nah, not so much the ammo. Had the same problem for years and was highly dissatisfied with the accuracy of mine (exactly what you have). I tried reloads, factory, etc. Sam results. Put a Leupold on it and it was much better but I didn't want a scope on it. I knew my trigger was heavy and do alot of my own rifle work (basic). After some research, I learned about the wolf spring kit. Absolutely amazing difference it pull wt and accuracy. I took the scope off and shoots just about everything I put through it. Cut my groups in half. U should give it a try. It is a cheap fix and with YouTube, it was a breeze

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Seems like springs making a difference means it was never the gun but was the shooter. I would have been checking accuracy with single action, for which springs should have made little difference.
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I typically shoot single action when target shooting to emulate hunting. What I have found is that the "LOCK TIME" on a revolver is longer than you might imagine.

I typically shot my .44 by steadying my arm above the wrist on a pad or rest of some sort. I've never had any luck with the barrel or any part of the revolver or my hands in a rest.

I found that by paying particular attention to my trigger release and follow through, I reduced my 25 yard pattern of 3-5" to a nice, tight, and remarkably consistent 3/4" group.

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Where to begin.
Inherent accuracy of a revolver is different than the accuracy a single shooter gets on a target. Never suspect the gun until 4 known shooters try at least 4 different manufacturers ammo, or more. Always test on benchrest to try and lessen the shooter's impact. If even one shooter can shoot one load consistently accurate, it's not the gun.

Scopes do not change the inherent accuracy of a revolver !
Scopes change the ability of the shooter to see the target and their end shake. That improves target accuracy. It helped the shooter, not the gun.

Springs do not change the inherent accuracy of a revolver !
Springs change the ability of the shooter to stay on target while squeezing the trigger. That improves target accuracy.

A glass-rod like break on a single action squeeze and a scope can take most shooters from 3" to 1" at 25 yards if the gun is accurate to start. If not, nothing will help.

Ruger cylinder chamber exits can be inconsistent as can barrel alignment, b/c gap, barrel
diameter, and forcing cone. 5% of the time.

IMO Ammo is the culprit 95% of the time. Each and every gun likes a certain size bullet with a certain type pressure. We all learn this over, and over, and over again.


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Of course the spring won't make the gun shoot any more accurate, it will allow the shooter to shoot it more accurately. Most everyone knows a better trigger improves accuracy

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The OP hasn't given us much information about his revolver skills with other handguns. If he had said he can hold 5" groups @ 50 yds with a 6" GP-100 .357 or other accurate wheel-gun then We'd have a baseline to work from. Has the OP shot other .44 mags accurately? There is definitely skill involved in getting good groups with big bore revolvers. Being totally comfortable and experienced with six-guns in the .357mag power level is a must before moving up to bigger guns. The OP stated that he'd put 45 rounds through the Redhawk while target shooting. I'm hoping there were a couple hundred familiarization, practice, and zeroing rounds sent downrange before that or I wouldn't expect him to be able to hit a 8.5"x11" target @ 50yds. I've shot my 7.5" Redhawk a lot, but I limit my hunting range to 50yds because that's as far as I can keep my hand-loads (240gr XTP's over Blue Dot) on a 6" dessert plate. With my 53 yr old eyes I need a scoped handgun to precisely place rounds even at 75yds. This weekend my buddy and I were shooting a steel gong and 1 gal water jugs at 75yds with handguns. From a rest his S&W Performance Center .460 w/ Burris scope stoked with Buffalo Bore .454 Bear loads was much easier to hit with than my 7.5" .44mag SBH wearing a Swift scope and shooting my 250gr lead hand loads. The big difference was the better trigger and faster lock time of the S&W. My stock SBH needs a trigger job! Another thing that struck me was how much easier it was to ring the gong with an old, open-sighted Marlin .30-30 than even with the expensive PC .460. Long range handgun shooting is hard and requires lots of practice to become proficient. No gun/ scope/ ammo combination will do it for you.
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ngashooter I needed to hear that thanks. and yes I have a lot of experience with pistols my handloads for my 45 ruger sr1911 I can shoot under a 3 inch group at 15 yds. but I have shot thousands of rounds through the sr. the redhawk is a new purchase last year but I have shot other peoples red hawks and big bores im fine with the power but being able to take the hand shock and placing a shot well are two different things. I just loaded some xtp 200 grain for the red hawk . so I plan on trying those and see what happens. thanks for humbling me im the first to admit I need more rounds to get better
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ngashooter I needed to hear that thanks. and yes I have a lot of experience with pistols my handloads for my 45 ruger sr1911 I can shoot under a 3 inch group at 15 yds. but I have shot thousands of rounds through the sr. the redhawk is a new purchase last year but I have shot other peoples red hawks and big bores im fine with the power but being able to take the hand shock and placing a shot well are two different things. I just loaded some xtp 200 grain for the red hawk . so I plan on trying those and see what happens. thanks for humbling me im the first to admit I need more rounds to get better
Have fun practicing! That's what it's all about. I love shooting big-bore revolvers at extended ranges. It all comes back to the fundamentals. Grip, sight alignment, trigger press...it all matters when you want to connect out past traditional handgun ranges. The practice you gain testing your hand-loads at 25yds is priceless. Just don't overdo it with the big boomers. Shooting too many rounds at one time is counterproductive. Good revolvers in 22 or 38 caliber are great for lower cost long range practice. The skills learned will transfer to the big bores and you won't develop a flinch. Happy shooting!
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What type of Wolfe springs are we talking about?
I may try that too. Are there different 'weight' springs?
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Of course the spring won't make the gun shoot any more accurate, it will allow the shooter to shoot it more accurately. Most everyone knows a better trigger improves accuracy

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Shooting single action to test accuracy will isolate the spring variable.
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Depending on the shooter

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If a Redhawk (not SRH), lightened mainspring may cause ignition issues.

I'm still under 1000rds on the 5.5" RH I got in April, so the only experience I can share is "practice, a lot". A Redhawk with 44mag loads is no 1911, I've found.
A 6+ lb SA pull is pretty unforgiving unless fundamentals are spot on.
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