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This is a discussion on Do I need a LCR 357 Magnum? within the Ruger Double Action forums, part of the Pistol & Revolver Forum category; Originally Posted by Carolus64 You do not NEED a .357 if you already have a .38+p. You might WANT one...but you likely do not need ...


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Old April 6th, 2017, 08:56 PM   #16
 
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You do not NEED a .357 if you already have a .38+p. You might WANT one...but you likely do not need it. I have an LCR 38+p copper cylinder beauty. The short barreled light gun has PLENTY of pop. I buy 38+p and I also handload some that are probably stiffer than the store bought. Anything more out of that gun and it would probably be uncomfortable to shoot. If you WANT a 357 be warned that it would be great for defense, but many would consider it too much for lots of practice. It is not uncommon for .357 small revolver shooters to practice with .38 for that reason. .357 is still a little more powerful, but for self defense purposes the .38 is more than just fine...which is why Police officers carried it for many years.

If I were you ( just advice ) and already had a .38 and about $500+ burning a hole in my pocket I would find a gun that was a little further away from something I already owned. But that is just IMHO and my 2 cents worth.
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Old April 7th, 2017, 01:47 AM   #17
 
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You could go LCRx in 357, that way it isn't exactly the same gun. Shoot both, decide if you want DAO or DA/SA, sell (or keep) the other.
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Do you NEED one, probably not. I think most of us areaway past the need portion of firearms, and well into the wants.......

Do you WANT one?
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You could go LCRx in 357, that way it isn't exactly the same gun. Shoot both, decide if you want DAO or DA/SA, sell (or keep) the other.
I like Spiff's suggestion...I'd just keep them both!

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IMHO if you want a 357 then I'd get an SP101.
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IMHO if you want a 357 then I'd get an SP101.


YES. I have the SP, and I have an LCR 38+. I can't imagine that small LCR frame shooting .357.....for a long period of time anyway. For SD it may be fine, but I like to take all my guns and shoot them a lot. The SP with .357 is harsh after a while; in the polymer frame I think I'd hate it. SP101 is probably the best all around revolver, in my opinion.


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I bought the 9mm and never looked back. It has become one of my main CCW, and one of the most fun guns I have shot.

The Modern Day 9mm has come a long way for a defense load in the past decade. A wide range to choose from. It comes close to rivaling the 357. Yet it is cheaper, mild recoil, not as loud, more abundant, and just Plain FUN to shoot. I really have to say I love Moon Clips.

I buy a lot of 9mm range ammo and reload as well. Check out the recoil factors of all three guns. By the way, I was really surprised to find that the Bantam Boot grip performed so well. Here is a fantastic article on the gun.

Pocket Guns and Gear: Search results for lcr 9mm

Recoil factors of LCR's
357---Recoil Factor: 19.47 ft-lb
9mm--------- 7.27 ft-lb
38 special 7.16 ft-lb

Genitron comparisons.

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And while we are on the subject, here is another reason why I went for the 9mm. Check out the actual ballistics.

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YES. I have the SP, and I have an LCR 38+. I can't imagine that small LCR frame shooting .357.....for a long period of time anyway. For SD it may be fine, but I like to take all my guns and shoot them a lot. The SP with .357 is harsh after a while; in the polymer frame I think I'd hate it. SP101 is probably the best all around revolver, in my opinion.


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The best thing about having an LCR in 357 is that you CAN shoot 38+P's all day long if you so desire but . . . have the option to load and shoot full load 357's. I also prefer it for the heavier SS frame that helps absorb recoil regardless what you shoot out of it.

A good example of what you can feed it is the ARX round in 357....86 gr ARX® 1650 fps / 520 ft. lbs. of muzzle energy. I haven't shot this yet, but I'm betting that the felt recoil is going to be comparable to the 130 grain 38+P's that I had been shooting out of it. I've already switched over to the 77 gr ARX® 1116 fps / 213 ft. lbs. of muzzle energy for my EDC round. It has a very noticeable reduction in felt recoil.

The ARX rounds are designed with the short barrel in mind. The above specs for the 77 grain are from an 1-7/8" LCR barrel. I'm pretty sure the 357 specs are too...but I can't verify that.

That allows a little LCR hand cannon to pack a lot of punch without beating the shooting hand up. Less perceived or felt recoil = faster and more accurate follow up shots.

Just my thoughts on why one should buy an LCR in 357 magnum.
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I have a LCRx .38 special that goes just about everywhere I go. With the +p ammo on the market today there is not much difference in short barrel .357 mag and a +p .38 special. I have been wanting a LCR in 9mm but I see a lot of talk about crimp jumping.
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I have a LCRx .38 special that goes just about everywhere I go. With the +p ammo on the market today there is not much difference in short barrel .357 mag and a +p .38 special. I have been wanting a LCR in 9mm but I see a lot of talk about crimp jumping.
Not even close!


CorBon Ammo used as example...same barrel length

357 Magnum JHP 125gr 544 energy 1400 velocity

38 Special +P JHP 125gr 251 energy 950 velocity
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Not even close!


CorBon Ammo used as example...same barrel length

357 Magnum JHP 125gr 544 energy 1400 velocity

38 Special +P JHP 125gr 251 energy 950 velocity
A 'pure numbers' difference. My favorite .38 Spl +P loading is the 158 gr lead SWC-Hollow Point, which has a ME of 278 fpe from a 4" bbl.
My only .38 capable revolvers are a 4" GP100 and non-plus P rated Taurus 85CH. I only shoot standard .38 Spl in the Taurus. For the GP, I use the +P LHPs. Yes, I have shot .357 Magnum 125 gr JHPs in the GP, but... damn: those things have quite a bit of blast and flash. Have never shot them in a snub, and don't want to...
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The energy figures are higher with the .357 but the important thing is hitting what you are shooting at. So if you are a better shot with .38 Special then shoot the .38 but if it doesn't matter .357 or .38 Special I guess you shoot what you are comfortable with!!! If right now there was a .357 LCRX or .327FM LCRX I would hands down take the .327FM because of the 6 shot cylinder vs 5 shot. Plus I load for both .357/.38 Special & .327FM
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You can shoot 357's and any 38!
I'd say the major advantage is having the stronger two-caliber gun.

Some "experts" claim you get very little extra from the .357

with a barrel that short. I'd be using .38 wad-cutters, myself.

But that's just me, oh, and about 780,000 seasoned LE vets...
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YES. I have the SP, and I have an LCR 38+. I can't imagine that small LCR frame shooting .357.....for a long period of time anyway. For SD it may be fine, but I like to take all my guns and shoot them a lot. The SP with .357 is harsh after a while; in the polymer frame I think I'd hate it. SP101 is probably the best all around revolver, in my opinion.


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I agree the SP101 is a better revolver then the LCRX or LCR. But the LCRX/LCR series has a much better SA/DA trigger pull vs the SP101 in their stock form. The SP101 is more robust but for conceal carry then the weight can get you down with the extra weight on your belt & hips. I can slip my LCRX in my pocket for pocket carry or in my OWB holster as well. Much more comfortable for several hrs of carry vs a 25-30 ounce SP101. But I use my LCRX for conceal carry only & use standard pressure loads. Where a SP101 excels this way. So for those who want a OWB/IWB carry gun and can handle the weight of a SP101 then that's the way to go. My thoughts of when I carry my SP101 would be a winter carry gun using my Simply Rugged Holster with a heavier belt then what I currently have & a good set of suspenders!!! I have the suspenders now just a good heavier weight leather belt!!!
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A 'pure numbers' difference. My favorite .38 Spl +P loading is the 158 gr lead SWC-Hollow Point, which has a ME of 278 fpe from a 4" bbl.
My only .38 capable revolvers are a 4" GP100 and non-plus P rated Taurus 85CH. I only shoot standard .38 Spl in the Taurus. For the GP, I use the +P LHPs. Yes, I have shot .357 Magnum 125 gr JHPs in the GP, but... damn: those things have quite a bit of blast and flash. Have never shot them in a snub, and don't want to...
No argument here. I own both an LCR and SP101 in .357 caliber but carry only .38+P ammo in them for the afore mentioned reasons. The point I was making is that ballistically the .357 round is superior to the .38+P round.
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