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Old August 20th, 2010, 08:17 AM   #1
 
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SP101 hammer vs hammerless

My adult daughter has decided to get her CCW and wants a nice carry-only piece. She's shot my cache of guns...22/40 S&W/44Mag/45ACP and is actually pretty good considering her limited experience. For fun at the range, she has access to any or all of those.

Since the SP101 is about as good as they come, I'm thinking a 2.25" hammerless. I have a local smith that promises to make the action glass-smooth. Add CT grips and we have, what I consider anyway, to be the quintessential point-n-shoot gun from 10 yards in. And that's really all we're after.

I know most people, me included, like the option of SA...but I'm thinking it might be best to condition her to...well, point-n-shoot, period...should the situation ever arise. Considering it's intended role, I'm comfortable with only 5 rounds.

Trust me, there's going to be a considerable amount of range time, shooting .357's, dedicated to this project!

Any thoughts and advice would be greatly appreciated.




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Old August 20th, 2010, 08:29 AM   #2
 
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I bobbed the hammer on my SP takeing most of the spur off but leaveing enough to cock and shoot single action
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That's exactly the kind of feedback I was hoping for. Great idea, thanks Amigo Will!!!!
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i prefer the hammerless. then there is no options to think about under stress. you fire it one way and only one way, and you practice that way.
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I own two revolvers and you can see what my opinion is:



At the range it's more fun to hit than to miss, so people tend to shoot SA with their SA/DA revolvers and not really learn DA shooting. That's why I say you want a double action ONLY revolver. If it's DAO, you'll actually shoot it DA and you'll get good. And when you want to shoot slow & accurate at some distance, with practice you can learn to stage the trigger so that it's almost like shooting single action, and you'll impress your friends.

Hammer spurs on revolvers are for bullseye guns or hunting guns. Defensive shooting is DA shooting.
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That's was exactly my reasoning Stirfry...thanks!!
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Man...this is good stuff. Thanks Pat!!!
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I agree with all the comments posted so far.
I have 3 of the SP101s. 1 DOA the other 2 SA/DA. I prefer to carry the DAO and when I 'stage' the trigger (takes a bit of practice to get it right) I'm as accurate as with an SA.

I however don't agree with the laser grips. I have watched people with lasers and they spend time looking for/at that laser and loose situational awareness. For personal protection - especially the short barrel guns - teaching to pull and shoot center of mass with iron sights is - IMHO - a far far better technique.

Pass on the laser grips and get her into a good class that teaches SD shooting. Spike TV is airing a series on "Concealed Carry School" (Sat 8:30am here) and gives a good idea of what's needed for learning SD.

Your a good Dad to take the time and effort to help her in this endeavor. It's a big responsibility to carry a loaded firearm and not for everyone. Pulling the trigger on a Bad Guy is one thing, hitting an innocent standing across the street is by far another . . .
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What does SHE want....Get her that.
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MCPO....more terrific advice!

I will admit to some reservation about the CT's. I've got limited experience with CT's on a J-frame. No doubt they can be distracting, and I can see no practical reason to practice with them on a regular basis. I guess my feeling is, hey, it's one more tool at my disposal. The larger of the two CT's for the j-frame are comfortable though, laser or not. OK, this can wait.

A snubbie shooting class goes to the top of the to-do list!
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I've been waiting for THAT one youngda9. Of course, it's the best advice of all.
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As you can see from my little avatar pic, I prefer the "hammerless"... But just to expand this discussion a bit, I'm wondering if you've considered the LCR for her. Thing is, I really love my SP101 w/CT and consider it a fine weapon... but I'm in my 60's now and aren't too keen on lugging it around anymore. Though it's in the medium weight range, for everyday carry I much prefer a lighter gun now... (I usually carry my LCP .380). If it were me, I'd try to at least get her into a gun store which has both so she can handle both an SP and an LCR (or, better yet, if there's a range nearby which has both, try 'em out). Yeah, I know the LCR will have more felt recoil... but she might really like the lightness of the LCR... 'Course, with LCR available in .357 now, you could still go for .357, and she could practice with .38's much of the time... (but that's true with either gun). Now, if you're really feeling generous, you could get both SP and LCR and let her work it all out over time! Just some thoughts...

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I agree with all the comments posted so far.
I have 3 of the SP101s. 1 DOA the other 2 SA/DA. I prefer to carry the DAO and when I 'stage' the trigger (takes a bit of practice to get it right) I'm as accurate as with an SA.

I however don't agree with the laser grips. I have watched people with lasers and they spend time looking for/at that laser and loose situational awareness. For personal protection - especially the short barrel guns - teaching to pull and shoot center of mass with iron sights is - IMHO - a far far better technique.

Pass on the laser grips and get her into a good class that teaches SD shooting. Spike TV is airing a series on "Concealed Carry School" (Sat 8:30am here) and gives a good idea of what's needed for learning SD.

Your a good Dad to take the time and effort to help her in this endeavor. It's a big responsibility to carry a loaded firearm and not for everyone. Pulling the trigger on a Bad Guy is one thing, hitting an innocent standing across the street is by far another . . .
I would also pass on the laser, a snubbie at SD range should just be an extension of the hand. As far as hammerless goes it should be up to her, but DOA is so much more "snag free".
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I just LOVE this forum!!! Great people with knowledgable opinions. Thanks all!
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I can see both 'reasons' for having a DA and a DA/SA.
They are darn good reason too.

I personally love single action but, I do use the double action too.

I NEVER want to shoot anyone...ever.
But, if I can I would like to be able to cock my gun to give that Bad Guy(s) one last chance before I DO fire.
I will fire IF I have no other choice [Last Resort].
I do not know anyone that doesn't know the sound of any gun being cocked.

That alone can be the difference between killing someone and dealing with ALL the ramifications afterward.
Or...The bad guy(s) realize that their time is about up and leave you alone.

However, ask your daughter...see what she thinks and wants.
I know someone else mentioned this already and your daughter is the one that needs to be comfortable.
And realize that she is liable for each and every bullet out of her gun.
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