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Old August 20th, 2010, 02:34 PM   #16
 
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I have one of each and prefer the spurless hammer model for carrying. The SP101 is a great choice, imo, and your daughter is lucky to have such a thoughtful Dad.



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Old August 20th, 2010, 03:16 PM   #17
 
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Anymore I'm finding myself completely forgetting about the SA option on my DA revolvers at the range. Practice a bit and you'll find yourself doing the same. That hammer spur sure does like to grab stuff on a quick draw.

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Let her handle them at the gun shop. Let her shoot some types that she wants to try(find a place that rents). Then let her decide. She might want and feel most comftorable with something you would not choose...so be it. If she is not confident in it and doesn't like the ergonomics/weight/looks/whatever than she won't use it. Let her decide. Don't try and steer the ship, be there to answer questions.
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As you can see from my little avatar pic, I prefer the "hammerless"... But just to expand this discussion a bit, I'm wondering if you've considered the LCR for her. Thing is, I really love my SP101 w/CT and consider it a fine weapon... but I'm in my 60's now and aren't too keen on lugging it around anymore. Though it's in the medium weight range, for everyday carry I much prefer a lighter gun now... (I usually carry my LCP .380). If it were me, I'd try to at least get her into a gun store which has both so she can handle both an SP and an LCR (or, better yet, if there's a range nearby which has both, try 'em out). Yeah, I know the LCR will have more felt recoil... but she might really like the lightness of the LCR... 'Course, with LCR available in .357 now, you could still go for .357, and she could practice with .38's much of the time... (but that's true with either gun). Now, if you're really feeling generous, you could get both SP and LCR and let her work it all out over time! Just some thoughts...
+1 for the LCR. it's very controllable due to the Tamer grip and polymer construction, and it has the best DAO trigger i have ever seen. plus, it fits her "carry only" requirement.

i have both the SP and the LCR), and while i absolutely love my SP i have to admit if i had to actually fire a gun in SD, i would rather have the LCR's trigger than the extra power of the (.357) SP101.

if recoil is an issue, then i would go with the heavier .357 LCR and load it with .38s. it would still be far lighter than an SP, but heavier that a standard LCR and you's still have the sweet LCR trigger (and a DOA revolver).

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I think that the best part of a woman carrying a revolver is the fact that it can be fired from inside of a purse... The ultimate surprise attack!

Although the SP-101 is an excellent choice, I believe that the Ruger LCR .38 Special is slightly better for most women to carry due to its weight, recoil & size.

My wife loves her LCR:
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i prefer the hammerless. then there is no options to think about under stress. you fire it one way and only one way, and you practice that way.
Agree. DAO, you won't take time to shoot SA in a defensive situation. If the revolver is DAO, this is the way that you are forced to practice.
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I agree with you MCPO 100% about the lasers.
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I like the DAO because if I find my self in a situation where I have to pull out the sp, and my heart is pumping about 100 mph, I like the idea of a long trigger pull.
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I agree with you MCPO 100% about the lasers.
Also, don't they give the bad guy something to aim at too?
My CCW instructor did not support Laser Grips for defense.
He also taught us if we use a regular flashlight to not have it near you or on your gun.
Hold it away from your body if you have to use one.

However, they look cool for target shooting...hehe!
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I have seen modifications by gunsmiths where the spur can be rermoved on the SP101. Does the hammer on the DAO model weigh any different than on a SA/DA with the spur removed?
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Also, don't they give the bad guy something to aim at too?
My CCW instructor did not support Laser Grips for defense.
He also taught us if we use a regular flashlight to not have it near you or on your gun.
Hold it away from your body if you have to use one.

However, they look cool for target shooting...hehe!

i don't put a lot of stock in CCW instructors. no offense to anyone here who may be an instructor, but i did not learn one single piece of new information from my 20 hour course.

i personally wouldn't use a laser, but they are totally necessary for some people and they clearly have a place in the realm of self defense handgun tactics.


however, i totally agree with the "no flashlights ON the gun". kind of goes against the rules... especially as it relates to not pointing your gun and things you aren't willing to destroy. if you are using your gun light to identify a target, then you are already pointing the gun at whatever it is, even if it turns out to not be a threat.
not to mention those silly rails ruined the look of every single gun they have been added to.
plus, if i were a criminal, and i was startled by a flashlight, i would just start shooting at the light...
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There's some good and not-so-good information here. If you take a good CCW self defense class, several things will surface in the first few hours.

1. A concealed carry handgun is all but worthless unless it is carried in a manner where it can be put into service very quickly.

2. Your ancillary equipment (holster, fanny pack, purse, etc) must be able to contain the gun in a safe manner while concealed yet allow for quick deployment.

The hammer spur can be an advantage or disadvantage, depending on your method of carry. The primary reason for a spurless hammer is to reduce snagging on clothing. The secondary purpose is to force you to shoot in the DA mode.

A good belt mounted hip holster will usually have a "thumb break" strap that snaps over the hammer spur. This prevents the revolver from falling out of the holster when you walk, sit, run, lie down, etc and helps prevent "take away" by the bad guy. With some practice, you can easily release the thumb break, draw, and fire a revolver in a very timely manner. Without a hammer spur, a good holster turns not-so-good and will not contain the revolver well. Nothing will pucker your bunger faster that to reach for a gun that isn't there.

I fully support shooting revolvers only in the DA mode, no matter what. Again, with some practice, you can be equally accurate at all distances in either mode but keep in mind .... time is not on your side. If you ever have to draw your weapon, you don't have time to think .... DA or SA and may not even have time to cock the hammer. If you practice in the DA mode only, chances are you will respond the way you trained and not waste valuable time. Good training, proper equipment, and practice negates a bobbed hammer.

Laser grips are excellent for a "house gun" but in my opinion, they are not only worthless for "street" self defense, they are a dangerous waste of time when you have to look for the dot.

WHEELER, Yes, removing the spur makes the hammer lighter and in some cases could cause misfires, especially if the factory hammer spring has been replaced with a reduced power spring.
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not to mention those silly rails ruined the look of every single gun they have been added to.

I agree with you 100% on this but countless tactical mall ninjas will be very upset with us.
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For all the no time for single action shot folks you must remember the Colt SAA is the fastest shooting pistol ever designed
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Amigo Will, Maybe so .... but only with professionals that practice several hours a day and draw from a western style "fast draw" holster that is far from being considered "concealed carry". The average gun owner would have a hard time concealing a SA revolver ... not that it couldn't be done .... but it would violate the basic principal in #1 of my above post. Further, from a good concealed carry holster, the average SA shooter would take way more time to draw, cock the hammer, point and fire than the average DA shooter.

Speaking of professionals ... Jerry Miculek is one of the fastest DA shooter alive and can hold his own with 1911s too. Watch this Youtube:
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