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Old August 17th, 2010, 10:13 AM   #1
 
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100 yd. + revolvers?



This is currently my "project" gun, a well used GP100 I'm trying to revamp into a long range target revolver.

The cylinder assembly is pretty much toasted, and the only replacement I could get for a halfway realistic price was a stainless assembly, so I guess this is gonna be a "two tone" GP100 soon.

I shot it yesterday out to 100 yards, all I had was 158 gr. .38 Special but it did pretty well. The .38 didn't drop as much as I thought it would, and the red dot allowed me to actually put up a 7" group.The red dot allowed for more precise aiming at that distance. This will purely be a shooter piece so I don't care much how it looks, and have since added some Pachmayr Decelerator grips because they "hold" better off a sandbag.

I had been an avid rifle shooter for almost 10 years before I became a full blown wheelgun junkie, so I guess it was a natural inclination for me to try to take the revolvers out to 100 yards. I bought a .44 Mag SRH 9.5" for this purpose but found it was just as flat shooting as a .357, and extended shooting sessions with .44 Mag aren't quite as fun.

So, what do you guys think, it is realistic to build up a revolver just for use at 100 yards with .357 mag ammo? Has anyone else tried this or am I just asking too much from a .357 6" revolver?



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Old August 17th, 2010, 10:17 AM   #2
 
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I own a GP100 with a 6" barrel and bought it in part for field carry. Personally, I consider it a 50 yard max. revolver for a couple of reasons. First, that's as far as I feel comfortable of hitting the kill zone. Second, I think the energy and momentum have dissipated enough at 50 yards to make an ethical kill iffy.
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nice effort!

Stantheman,

I applaud your use of a panoramic red dot.

I am thinking about getting one of these for my SRH .454 and am hoping it will hold up. I have been looking at JPoint and UltraDot so far.

Question: How do you like the panoramic versus a tube sight? Quicker target acquisition? Does the sight require the dot to be centered to deliver accurate impacts?

I was told thes style red dots are forgiving if the dot is not exactly centered.

7in. @ 100yds with a GP100 is mighty fine!

Respectfully - Michael
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I tend to push a magnum revolver as well. I won't use one to hunt over 50 yards, but I like to shoot at silhouettes out to the 200 yard mark. I know there are silhouette matches that push the distance for handguns. I also know that the silhouette shooters developed the Creedmore position for just that purpose. The .357 is really capable of fair accuracy out to at least 100 yards. I used to shoot my 4" revolvers at that distance and was able to keep the six rounds in the black of a 6" target.
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I'll have to put this on my list of things to conquer along with a 300 yard .22 shot, driving a nail and lighting a match.
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You can hit targets at 100+ with the Single-Six .22 Mag.
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I'm not too worried about the energy of the round at 100 yards, since I only shoot at paper and I'm really not a hunter.

I like the open red dot, the Trijicon mini-dot is probably one of the best out there. I think the one I have is an older model now, all I can find new from Trijicon is their "MDS" or something sight, which had more stuff on it to make it more impact resistant.

I think the tube red dots are better for actual "combat" use, like the Aimpoint M68 just because it allows them to take a lot of punishment and protects the internals. For handgun use, mainly for target use I prefer the open "heads up display" type red dot. The dot on the Trijicon does not have to be centered, if you can see the dot, the round will go there. Some of the cheaper stuff does not allow this. The 3 MOA dot is a good compromise for a handgun, it still allowed me to hit at 100 yards but doesn't leave you "searching" for the dot like a 1 MOA dot does. I think 1 MOA's are better for rifles where you can get a good cheek weld and sight alignment, not for a hand held weapon at arms length.

I'm looking for a good red dot for my .44 Mag SRH, but anything worth buying is pretty pricy, and I am hesitant to spend more for an optic than I did for the revolver. Burris makes a mount for their Fastfire that screws right onto the SRH scope ring mount, but the Fastfire only offers a 4 MOA dot which is a little bigger than I'm looking for. The adbantage to this mount is that you can turn 1 screw and take it off if you want to use the iron sights.
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If I make a 100 yard shot with either my 44 or 41 BH's I feel I've done well. Went to watch silhouette shooters a few weeks ago making 300 yards shot with open sights.

It's all in the eye of the beholder, I guess.
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I've been thinking of doing the same thing. I shoot my little Mark III out to 100 yards. I love the "hang time" before the round connects.

I would be very interested to hear how this works for you as I was thinking of a Ruger DA/SA .357/.38 as a great easy shooter for the long shots. Again, I think the slower .38s would be fun shoot this way. Plus, you never know when you might need to take that kind of shot.

Are you going to do any trigger work on the GP?
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The only trigger work was done by the past owner by firing tens of thousands of rounds

The .38's kind of "hang" too, I didn't put any targets on the 200 yard target backstop but fired some .38's at that big piece of particle board, it was like "bang.......plunk"

I need to get some .357's and get to work on the "testing"
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In preparation for my 300 yard .22 shot attempt I posted the question of bullet drop at that distance on the accurate reloading forum. The guy who answered told e the bullet would drop 106 inches between 100 and 300 yards and if there's a 1 MPH cross wind it would move the bullet 4 feet to the side. I replied how come .22 boxes say they have a 1 mile range, he responded, if you fire the gun at about a 30 degree angle it will just about make it a mile and have only 4.5 pounds of energy at the end of the flight. I was amazed at that and if you think of it, you could catch that bullet in your hand if you were at the end of the trip.
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A .22 LR at 300 yards would probably bounce off a piece of cardboard.



Here's what happens to Fiocchi .32 Long wadcutters at 50 yards! I would say cross this round off the "self defense" list, .22 Stingers have more hitting power.
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Well see if it leaves a mark. LOL

Those .32 Long's are a shameful example of a bullets effectiveness, I didn't know cardboard could be a bullet proof vest. LOL
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I shot these "mouse stoppers" back in 2005 or so, and was so aghast at the performance of .32 Long that I had to take a picture of these. I post them from time to time to people who talk about using a Nagant revolver as a glovebox gun because it's "the cheapest gun in the shop" and they always load them with .32 Longs.

I cringed the one time when I saw a dude at Gander Mt. buy a Nagant revolver for $130 or so and the clerk told him it would shoot .32 Long, so the guy bought a box of those. I was thinking to myself "I hope that guy isn't buying that for a carry piece!" I shot at a groundhog once with my Nagant loaded with .32 Long and I swear the .32 slug bounced off him....I saw him flinch from getting hit and he just waddled away back into his hole......

Also was shooting .32 Shorts out of an old H&R revolver in my backyard, and had a piece of rubber as a backstop which even .22's punch right through. Was popping off some of the old Remington .32 shorts and heard something hit the wood barn about 40 yards behind me.....ignoring it, I kept shooting, and a .32 slug actually must have bounced off the rubber, looped through the air, I was watching it come at me and it bounced off my sweatshirt...the rubber must have took the energy out of the round and just basically bounced it back right at me...I was like "Holy _____ I just got hit with a bullet!" and then went inside the house and told my Dad I just got shot

It would be almost inhumane to shoot an attacker with that .32 Long, especially out of a Nagant I would at least give an intruder the courtesy of a quick and clean with a .357 HP center mass......I wouldn't pelt him with those weak .32 Long pills, that would probably just piss the guy off He'd be like "Ow stop shooting me......ok I'll leave" hahaha
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I have Model 83 .454 magnum revolver that can accomplish this but not when shot by me. My max range with .45LC ammo is about 50yards.
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