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Old March 17th, 2017, 12:06 PM   #16
 
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I would keep it and shoot it with heavy 45 colt loads.



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When I bought the Alaskan I was also considering the S&W 460 as well. It was few hundred more but felt too bulky and noticeably heavier although I am sure it's much longer barrel would perform a lot better, wasn't something that I would want to pack around. And as they say, dead is dead, but not if the gun was left home because it was too much to lug on any given day. I m happy with what I have now!
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I think the Alaskan will do well for you. However, if you decide you need a longer barrel sometime down the line you could acquire a 4.2" .45 Colt Redhawk and swap cylinders as some on the board have done. Another alternative would be to switch for:

Ruger® Super Redhawk® Standard Double-Action Revolver Model 5517

if you could find a buyer and get most of your money out of the Alaskan. You get a bit more barrel but not too much.
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I think the Alaskan will do well for you. However, if you decide you need a longer barrel sometime down the line you could acquire a 4.2" .45 Colt Redhawk and swap cylinders as some on the board have done. Another alternative would be to switch for:

Ruger® Super Redhawk® Standard Double-Action Revolver Model 5517

if you could find a buyer and get most of your money out of the Alaskan. You get a bit more barrel but not too much.
Oh Man I like that Talo!
Is the cylinder swap with the Redhawk as simple as replacing the colt cylinder or do they need to be matched up or adjusted?
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I would guess it is the luck of the draw. Possibly, barrel/cylinder gap, headspace, endshake and timing would need to be addressed but doubt all of them at once. Someone that has done the swap here could better answer what their experience has been.
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I would guess it is the luck of the draw. Possibly, barrel/cylinder gap, headspace, endshake and timing would need to be addressed but doubt all of them at once. Someone that has done the swap here could better answer what their experience has been.
Probably similar issues to the dual cylinder offerings such as the Blackhawk 45LC and 45ACP cylinders for the same gun having been matched from the factory to that particular gun. I have not seen this but have heard they put the guns s/n on each cylinder so to not mix them up.
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Another consideration might be single action vs. double action/multiple shot speed,efficiency.

Custom longer barrel Alaskan and you might be about equal to size of your Super Blackhawk.
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For anyone that doubts a .454 Alaskan can't kill a grizzly..

http://www.fieldandstream.com/photos...-alaska#page-5
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Another consideration might be single action vs. double action/multiple shot speed,efficiency.

Custom longer barrel Alaskan and you might be about equal to size of your Super Blackhawk.
Learning how to quickly point and shoot DA will be something I want to practice at. Up till now I have never really shot DA, always opting for accuracy, but in a bear defense situation there is no time for pin point accuracy.
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For anyone that doubts a .454 Alaskan can't kill a grizzly..

Charging Bear Killed in Alaska | Field & Stream
I have read about that attack but not the details. I didn't see where what this guy had was the Alaskan model (i may have missed it), just a 454 Casull which could I suppose have been a 7.5" SRH which ballistically speaking would be considerably more powerful than a 2.5" model.

I am not as concerned about that at this point. I just got my Simply Rugged pancake holster, and I am discovering that this gun will be so easy to carry, even compared to my 4 5/8" barrel SBH which I thought wasn't bad either. That snubby barrel makes all the difference really. A big part of bear protection is actually having a capable gun with you when a bear decides to attack! I doubt I would carry a SRH with a longer barrel nearly as much, but I know I would carry the Alaskan much more and in more situations, simply because of its size. With just a long shirt it is almost a concealed carry, and certainly is with a light jacket.

Where I live in Southeast Alaska we have a large population of brown bears. They can turn up most anywhere although there are territories where they will be more abundant (near salmon streams and blueberry patches). They have broken into homes in my immediate neighborhood, commercial fishing boats tied up at the boat harbor in town, a friends brand new Toyota Tacoma was opened up like a can of beans for some food he had left inside. I have had numerous bears near my house, and even a sow and cubs right under my bedroom window as I laid in bed listening. My wife has seen them in our neighborhood while riding her bike which frightens both of us as you can well imagine!

We hike or walk with our Australian Shepard for an hour or 2 every day and always we are in bear country. I try to avoid where known bear activity will be greater but you never can be certain of a bear free walk anywhere we go. So far I will most times carry the 44 mag, and if I know I am going to a higher concentration bear area I will take a 45/70 guide gun. When we pick berries (something we love to do) I always have the guide gun, and I don't see that changing even with the 454 Casull. The problem with that gun is I find getting it off my shoulder and ready to fire is slower than drawing a revolver from my hip. I carry both, and depending on the situation, whether there is enough warning or not will depend on what I use, if my good fortune ever runs out that is.

I think what I am going to do in a few weeks when the snow melts away at the range is to start practicing shooting the Alaskan in DA mode. My goal will be to be able to point the gun (no time to really aim with the sights) and get 3 rounds inside a paper plate in 3 seconds at around 25 feet. I will start shooting lightly loaded 45LC, and then work up to 300gr 454 Casull that I load myself. Then work up to 355gr load @ hopefully 1050-1100 fps. I feel I need this as a minimum for a completely effective, deep penetrating bone breaking round that I feel confident with. This will be at very close range, so will still be traveling at what a longer barreled gun would be at 75 to 100 yds.

If it turns out I can't get my 3 rounds in a plate, well I may need to rethink the double action plan and go back to SA and try to be more accurate with fewer shots fired. If I can't get the 1050 or 1100 fps reliably (no crimp jump lockups) I may sell this gun and look for a Toklat or perhaps one of the 480 Ruger's I have heard about but not seen under glass at the local gun stores..

Thanks for posting that bear attack link.
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Learning how to quickly point and shoot DA will be something I want to practice at. Up till now I have never really shot DA, always opting for accuracy, but in a bear defense situation there is no time for pin point accuracy.
I have read about that attack but not the details. I didn't see where what this guy had was the Alaskan model (i may have missed it), just a 454 Casull which could I suppose have been a 7.5" SRH which ballistically speaking would be considerably more powerful than a 2.5" model.

I am not as concerned about that at this point. I just got my Simply Rugged pancake holster, and I am discovering that this gun will be so easy to carry, even compared to my 4 5/8" barrel SBH which I thought wasn't bad either. That snubby barrel makes all the difference really. A big part of bear protection is actually having a capable gun with you when a bear decides to attack! I doubt I would carry a SRH with a longer barrel nearly as much, but I know I would carry the Alaskan much more and in more situations, simply because of its size. With just a long shirt it is almost a concealed carry, and certainly is with a light jacket.

Where I live in Southeast Alaska we have a large population of brown bears. They can turn up most anywhere although there are territories where they will be more abundant (near salmon streams and blueberry patches). They have broken into homes in my immediate neighborhood, commercial fishing boats tied up at the boat harbor in town, a friends brand new Toyota Tacoma was opened up like a can of beans for some food he had left inside. I have had numerous bears near my house, and even a sow and cubs right under my bedroom window as I laid in bed listening. My wife has seen them in our neighborhood while riding her bike which frightens both of us as you can well imagine!

We hike or walk with our Australian Shepard for an hour or 2 every day and always we are in bear country. I try to avoid where known bear activity will be greater but you never can be certain of a bear free walk anywhere we go. So far I will most times carry the 44 mag, and if I know I am going to a higher concentration bear area I will take a 45/70 guide gun. When we pick berries (something we love to do) I always have the guide gun, and I don't see that changing even with the 454 Casull. The problem with that gun is I find getting it off my shoulder and ready to fire is slower than drawing a revolver from my hip. I carry both, and depending on the situation, whether there is enough warning or not will depend on what I use, if my good fortune ever runs out that is.

I think what I am going to do in a few weeks when the snow melts away at the range is to start practicing shooting the Alaskan in DA mode. My goal will be to be able to point the gun (no time to really aim with the sights) and get 3 rounds inside a paper plate in 3 seconds at around 25 feet. I will start shooting lightly loaded 45LC, and then work up to 300gr 454 Casull that I load myself. Then work up to 355gr load @ hopefully 1050-1100 fps. I feel I need this as a minimum for a completely effective, deep penetrating bone breaking round that I feel confident with. This will be at very close range, so will still be traveling at what a longer barreled gun would be at 75 to 100 yds.

If it turns out I can't get my 3 rounds in a plate, well I may need to rethink the double action plan and go back to SA and try to be more accurate with fewer shots fired. If I can't get the 1050 or 1100 fps reliably (no crimp jump lockups) I may sell this gun and look for a Toklat or perhaps one of the 480 Ruger's I have heard about but not seen under glass at the local gun stores..

Thanks for posting that bear attack link.

It was an Alaskan, they confirm it in this article and there is a photo of him holding his Ruger SRH Alaskan .454


http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...ys-shoot-bear/
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"In August 2009, Greg Brush, from Soldotna, Alaska, was walking his dog when an Alaskan brown bear charged him. Drawing his .454 Casull Ruger Alaskan while rapidly backpedaling, he fired three shots in quick succession into the bear; followed by a fourth and final shot. The fifth round failed to discharge due to a defective crimp. The animal was stopped 10 feet (3.0 m) beyond Brush's original starting position.[6][7]"

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Love my .44 mag Alaskan.

And am confident that my .480 Alaskan would do what is needed in bear country, using Buffalo Bore ammo.
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"In August 2009, Greg Brush, from Soldotna, Alaska, was walking his dog when an Alaskan brown bear charged him. Drawing his .454 Casull Ruger Alaskan while rapidly backpedaling, he fired three shots in quick succession into the bear; followed by a fourth and final shot. The fifth round failed to discharge due to a defective crimp. The animal was stopped 10 feet (3.0 m) beyond Brush's original starting position.[6][7]"

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WoW! That's a great story. He was cramped up from the adrenaline rush for hours afterward.
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The fifth round failed to discharge due to a defective crimp.
Home rolled ammo?
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Thanks for the confirmation that it was an Alaskan! Nice to know.

Was interesting that it was an old bear that was starving. It wasn't messing around with warnings and whatnot. Greg Bush was seriously about to be eaten, not simply mauled. This same situation played out near here, an old bear, half starving and desperate, went after someone who shot it with a rifle I think.
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