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Old February 28th, 2017, 08:20 PM   #1
 
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Old Style, Half Lug SP101, .22lr .... The saga continues

OK, so I send the Old, 6 Round SP101 "Frame" into Ruger to have the "Missing" Cylinder replaced....here's the OP:
A "Super" SP101, .22

After Ruger received the Frame, they called and said they could replace the missing Cylinder for $65.00, shipped .... No brainer .... YES, and gave-up the Credit Card Info
After a few weeks, they called and said they can not locate a 6 Round replacement Cylinder for it and want to send me a brand new, New Model, 8 Round, for the $65.00 I've already paid
They'll even cover the FFL Transfer Fee
Now THAT my Friends; is Customer Service ! ! !

OK, but the question is, do I take the deal or wait (for an indeterminate amount of time) for them to locate a new 6 Round replacement Cylinder
OR....Ask them if the 6 Round Pawl can be replaced by an 8 Round Pawl and fit the Frame with a new style, 8 Round Cylinder ? ! ?
Then it'll be an Old Model, Half Lug, 8 Shot ! ! !
A true one-off SP101



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Old February 28th, 2017, 08:50 PM   #2
 
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You just don't run across many 6-Shot Half Lug .22 SP101's. You can always find the 8-Shot current production guns. Ruger's policy for many years has been to NOT create a unique firearm by mixing parts. If you get your half-lug back David Clements can probably make you a custom cylinder.

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If I'm reading this correctly, Ruger is proposing to send you an entirely new 8 round gun and keep your old frame for $65.00.

You would gain a functioning firearm and lose the original 1/2 lug, 6 round model in the process.

While you don't see many 1/2 lug, 6 shot SP101's anymore, the cost to return that gun to its original configuration will likely be difficult to recoup. Unless you have some huge sentimental connection to that SP101, I'd take that trade.

I agree that Ruger is not going to create a one of a kind model. If they can't return that old SP101 to its factory configuration with the parts on hand, they're not going to make some hybrid old model 8 shot gun for you.

IF Ruger will return that frame......you will still face the problem of locating or making a 6 shot cylinder. I just don't see the return on that ever paying off or at least paying off in the foreseeable future. My guess is it would be more effective to seek out another 6 shot 1/2 lug SP101. Then you could trade/sale the 8 round gun or just acquire the 6 round gun outright.
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Den I suppose this can be done with a cylinder conversion to fit your SP101 .22LR. I guess my question is how much to you like the old style half lug vs the newer design. But one thing to consider is the newer design does have nicer set of sights & I thing the rear sight is fully adjustable. I would think your idea of the cylinder swap would be something different & might increase the value of your Ruger. But if I was thinking of doing it why wait call them up and get things going. Personally I would still opt for the new SP101 because of the better sights etc!!! Good Luck
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Thanks you all for the great replies
I think the best course of action (at this point) is to take their deal for the New Model, 8 Round, and turn around and try to sell IT for what I can get for it
No, I don't have any connection to THAT Half Lug Frame, because I already have my Half Lug and it's the "Super" SP101 now:


Hopin' to get the "Super" out to the Range in the next week or so and give both Cylinder a good run
Going to have my Wife take a Video of me "converting" it from .22lr to .22wmr and back

I spoke to Ruger Customer Service again today
The Young Lady said they have exhausted all their usual avenues to finding a replacement Cylinder for that Frame
The only possible way to get one now was; if someone sent in a .22 (with a good Cylinder) that had some other issue that Ruger couldn't fix and they would offer them the "New Model" and use that Cylinder for my Frame
And what would the odds of that be ?
So I figure that Old Frame, plus the $41.00 Shipping (to Ruger) and the $65.00 I already paid for the Cylinder, is a fair trade for a New SP101
Then I'll turn it for (say) $500.00
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I think that's an excellent plan.
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Going to have my Wife take a Video of me "converting" it from .22lr to .22wmr and back

"Super" SP101, the Video:
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Den that's a cool setup little more involved for take down. But that's the design, my question was the .22 Magnum cylinder just the original .22LR cylinder modified to a .22 Magnum?? Or a custom made cylinder?? I would think you really have a unique SP101 now with more value & collector appeal to it nice job!!!
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Den that's a cool setup little more involved for take down. But that's the design, my question was the .22 Magnum cylinder just the original .22LR cylinder modified to a .22 Magnum?? Or a custom made cylinder?? I would think you really have a unique SP101 now with more value & collector appeal to it nice job!!!
Thanks GQ
I believe the .22wmr Cylinder is the OEM, .22lr worked to wmr
The Original Owner had the work done
Not sure who or where
Hope to get it out to the Range tomorrow
I'll post a couple Targets and maybe a Video or two
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I think it is a no brainer. Brand new 8 shot 22 or half of a non working gun. Hmmmm
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Sten, you have a really nice gun there. Do have a question. Was anything done to the bore to enlarge it to .224" for the Magnum? I wonder if it makes a difference? Some say it raises pressures and others not to worry about it.
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I think it is a no brainer. Brand new 8 shot 22 or half of a non working gun. Hmmmm
Yeah, it's a done deal
Ruger's putting the New SP101, 8 Rounder together for me and will ship it in a couple week
It'll most-likely become the Wife's

We took the Super SP101 out today
The wmr had some issues, took two "clicks" to pop the Primer on over 75%
Thinking it may be the Reduced Power Hammer Spring
BUT, the new .22lr Cylinder ran 100%
Both the lr and the wmr had nice accuracy
My Wife really loved shooting the lr, so hence the; "It'll most-likely become the Wife's"

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Sten, you have a really nice gun there. Do have a question. Was anything done to the bore to enlarge it to .224" for the Magnum? I wonder if it makes a difference? Some say it raises pressures and others not to worry about it.
Thanks, it really is a nice set-up
Can't answer the Bore question, because it was modded into the wmr before I bought it
I "WAS" thinking I need to slug the Bore, just to check it
But it did seem to work just fine today
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Do have a question. Was anything done to the bore to enlarge it to .224" for the Magnum? I wonder if it makes a difference? Some say it raises pressures and others not to worry about it.
Took my Starrett, Small Hole Gages and mic'ed the Lands of the following Ruger .22 Barrels:

"Super" SP101 0.216"
SP101 (gen 2, 8 Round) 0.218"
Super Single Six 0.219"
MkII Targer 0.216"
Without slugging the Barrel(s), I can't give a good measurement of the Grooves

So, I'd say that it looks like the Pistolsmith didn't lap the Barrel when they re-chambered the Cylinder to wmr
If we are to take the Bore of the Super Single Six as a guide, it looks like the Barrel on the Super SP101 needs to be lapped by 0.003"
Not sure how one would lap the Grooves
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