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Old February 28th, 2017, 04:04 PM   #1
 
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45 colt. Am I missing something?

There is a post about a 45 colt Redhawk that I did not want to hijack so I started my own. Is there something I am missing with the 45 colt? It seems there are cheaper options that do almost the same thing. (45acp and 44 special)And if you want Ruger only 45 colt rounds, the 44 mag does it as well or better and cheaper. Im not criticizing the round. Wear what ya dig. Heck you guys might even convince me to get one. Just wondering what the hooplah is all about.



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hooplah?

I have not heard this hooplah...BUT..I have a 45 Long Colt Blackhawk and love it. Since Blackhawks and Redhawks are built so beefy and strong, you can make the 45 LC cartridge more versatile than with other 45LC guns. I reload and make my own cartridges that are quite powerful and accurate. I could hunt deer sized game with them much as you would with a .44 magnum as I load 250 grain XTP hp moving at about 1300FPS. However if you wish to do so you can just use the heavy and slow traditional 45LC loads...make them yourself or buy them at the sporting goods store...and shoot more comfortable loads for cowboy action shooting or plinking.
You could do the same thing by purchasing a .44 magnum and then downgrading your cartridges to 44 special....so it is a matter of taste and preference. I do not think that the 45LC has a particular advantage it is just which gun you prefer.

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Ive had a friend one time reload me some 45LC. He load some really hot which would be great for large game hunting.
They were a handfull to say the least. I normally wouldnt care for something like that unless it was needed for something. He is a magnum junkie who loves the big boom and recoil.
But I honestly have no real use for them. And since the 45 ACP is cheaper and more available, I dont even buy 45LC no more.

I personally enjoy shooting 45 ACP in my Blackhawk 7.5 Convertable. Just as accurate, and a pleasure to shoot.
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The 45 Colt loaded for a modern Ruger can do pretty much anything a 44 mag can do and at lower pressure.

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I have several 44 mags, and no 45 Colts in my lineup. But I have a great appreciation for the round.

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I think it all depends upon what you plan on doing with the gun. If one was seeking a self defense weapon against 2 legged types a lighter gun within reason would be better and the .45 ACP or .44 SP would work. Now, if it is large game or bear defense the .44 magnum and .45 Colt come into their own.

Buffalo Bore, as an example, makes a 325 grn LBT at 1325 fps in .45 Colt. Getting up near 50,000 psi loadings one can approach .454 loads. (Note: I am not advocating this but have seen data.) Garrett has 365 gr Colt that will do 1180 to 1250 fps or more and a 405 grn at 1170 fps out of 5.5 " RH. One can argue how dead you need the game to be but if it is dangerous maybe more is better within reason.

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Sometimes - I just like the feeling those big, honking cartridges give me both when I'm holding them in my hand, and shooting them.

I reload for .45Colt, though, and have made some that are as gentle as a light .45acp, and others more like a heavy .44Magnum.

It's a pretty versatile cartridge, and in a pinch I can even use .45acp projectiles for reloading .45Colt. Couldn't do that if I had a .44Magnum instead.
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I own several 45acps, and (2) 45LC's. I own a 44 mag, and reload 44 spcls for it as well. The 45 colt can have an easy shooting round like the 160 grain to 250 grain with w231 powder for plinking. The 45 colt can be loaded to exceed the 44 magnum, I have rounds loaded for that using a 250 grain xtp with H110. Since I have the alaskan 454, I can even shoot the big boomer 454 rounds. So for me my alaskan allows me to shoot full bore, or plinkers easily, kinda like the 44 mag and 44 special, or 357 magnum and 38 special. I find it very versatile. Nothing is also like shooting a 4 clicking single action army. Its proven as a man stopper, a hunter, and plinker. I find it interesting for that reason, and why I continue to rely on them. The 45 acp is a great round, and is a top performer in auto's. The 45 long colt is equally a great round and also a top performer in revolvers.
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emay, Part of what you are missing is called "freedom of choice". Just take a look at hunting rifles .... there are dozens, any one of which is plenty capable of killing a deer. Once you get past the braggin' rights, there really isn't much difference for the dead deer.

Handgun cartridges are much the same. How deadly do you want the gun to be .... just marginally deadly, medium deadly, or maximum deadly. As with rifles the deer won't notice the difference because it is dead.

Everyone seems to have their own criteria for selecting a handgun and cartridge. Often it is area specific .... possibly bear country or maybe just squirrel country. Cost and availability of ammo is a major concern for those that don't reload. As far as power goes, there always seems to be something bigger and more powerful sitting in your LGS's show case. Some people are recoil junkies or maybe just wanting to play Rambo. Then there are semi-autos, single action revolvers, and double action revolvers, most being capable of killing large game or bad guys.

As for a 44 Mag or 45 Colt Redhawk, if you don't reload, a 44 Mag is your best choice for ammo availability, price, and power. These are all moot points if you reload because the 45 Colt can compete favorably with a 44 Mag. So .... back to my first sentence, what you are missing is the freedom of choice.
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There are countless rounds that overlap each other in ballistics, accuracy, stopping power, whatever. Choose the one you like, makes no difference. I have revolvers in 32, 32 mag, 327, 38, 357, 357 max, 360 DW, 41 mag, 41 special, 44 spl, 44 mag, 445 super mag, 45 colt and 454 casul. Semi autos in 25, 32, 380, 9mm, 40 s&w, 45 acp, 10mm and 50AE. Plus a couple contenders in rifle rounds and assorted rimfire pistols. Do I NEED all these different rounds for anything in particular? Of course not. You could narrow it to just a few and cover every real NEED...................but where is the fun in that........LOL!!!!
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Personally, 45 Colt didn't hold any appeal for me until I got my Alaskan, which can shoot both 45 Colt and 454 Casull. I don't reload, but factory cartridges still give me the full spectrum of power. I can get ridiculously sluggish 45 cowboy cartridges, or ones that hit as hard as 45 ACP, or HSM "Bear Load" 45 Colt +P that are similar to 44 mag. Not to mention full blast 454 stuff!

That being said, 45 Colt does seem to be rather expensive if you're not reloading.
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emay, Part of what you are missing is called "freedom of choice"
I'm not missing the freedom of choice aspect. I was just inquiring why people seem to like this round so much. I didn't get the 44 mag for a long time but came around to it.
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Some people like T-bone and some people like ribeye. 45 Colt is my favorite caliber. It's been around a long time and may be the most versatile centerfire caliber ever designed. Mild, wild, pistol, rifle, blackpowder or smokeless. It has survived history and is still very relevant.

I don't know how to quantify it but I prefer shooting 45 Colt more than 44mag. The recoil impulse (if there's such a term) feels more like a big push than the quick snap of 44mag. Of course this is a 100% subjective observation and at milder loads doesn't matter much. YMMV.

Personal bias is at the root of this discussion and it really just boils down to individual preference. If the dreaded "you can only have one caliber" conversation comes up I'd have to put 45 Colt in the running for my choice. It's extremely versatile and one of my all time favorites.
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For me, part of the attraction of the 45 Colt that goes beyond the practical aspects of the cartridge's ballistics and reloading potential are some of the guns that shoot the cartridge. Yes, you can chamber the 45 Colt in just about any revolver, but there are some guns that were essentially built around the cartridge, from day one, and chambering those guns in any other cartridge changes the guns, themselves.

I have a Blackhawk and New Vaquero in 45 Colt and love them, but those guns could also be chambered in other cartridges without drastically changing the way they handle and feel. I know, because I have them in 357 and 44 mag, too. Have also had Redhawks in 45 Colt. Same holds true with them.

On the other hand, there are some guns ion 45 Colt where the cartridge and gun are so closely connected that you can't change either one and still have the same gun, not just in terms of looks, balance and handling, but also the gun's shooting characteristics. Here's a superb example of the marriage of gun and cartridge.

It's a USFA Rodeo, a Colt clone made by a company that lasted for a very short time, all parts, save for the grips panels, made in house (even the screws), here in the U.S. in the historic Colt Hartford facility. In terms of fit, finish, action, trigger and, very much in the way it shoots 45 Colts, it's the finest SA revolver I have ever owned. Trust me when I say that to shoot this gun is to fall in love with the 45 Colt.



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My choice is less about a cartridge and more about a gun.

After owning and selling a .357, .41 and .44mag I settled on a Blackhawk .45 convertible because I could have both big bore mag power(.45C+p) and big bore economy plinking(.45acp) without reloading.

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