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Old March 2nd, 2017, 10:22 AM   #46
 
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I don't push any loads beyond the "do not exceed" of my manual. I just don't have the want or reason to do so.

Just a thought as to making the same powder part of my assumptions. If you were to assume the powder is the same then you may or may not be able to match the other assumptions. I left the powder as a variable intentionally to see if perhaps the type/amt. of powder required to deliver equal performances was different between calibers. Say perhaps you couldn't load enough of slow powder X into round A so you had to move to a slightly faster Powder Y. This is where the felt recoil difference would originate.

However, If it takes more of a specified powder to push the same weight projectile at the same speeds out of a comparable firearm. Then it can be said that the lesser powder cartridge is more efficient. But accuracy, comfort, heat, etc. are different characteristics that must be considered separately.



Sorry for the long ramblings, I'm pretty good at overthinking things.



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Old March 2nd, 2017, 03:10 PM   #47
 
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In comparing the cartridges using the same powder I guess you could say the one using the less powder is more efficient with that powder. On the other hand the cartridge with less case capacity will not have the room for growth in handling heavier bullets or using more powder to gain velocity. Interestingly, also is that both the Colt and .44 in heavy loadings seem to use the same powders. The Colt all other things equal can handle heavier bullets due to the size of the case although as Iowegan notes it is only a matter of how dead you want the animal to be, sort of dead , mostly dead, really dead.

Also, to add to the thought process one should consider cross section, density, velocity, ballistic coefficients for the available bullets fotr both calibers and resultant penetration.

I guess one could compare .41 mags to .44's in the same vein and being somewhat close the .41 to the .45 etc. We could also throw in the .454 Casull.

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In comparing the cartridges using the same powder I guess you could say the one using the less powder is more efficient with that powder. On the other hand the cartridge with less case capacity will not have the room for growth in handling heavier bullets or using more powder to gain velocity. Interestingly, also is that both the Colt and .44 in heavy loadings seem to use the same powders. The Colt all other things equal can handle heavier bullets due to the size of the case although as Iowegan notes it is only a matter of how dead you want the animal to be, sort of dead , mostly dead, really dead.

Also, to add to the thought process one should consider cross section, density, velocity, ballistic coefficients for the available bullets fotr both calibers and resultant penetration.

I guess one could compare .41 mags to .44's in the same vein and being somewhat close the .41 to the .45 etc. We could also throw in the .454 Casull.
And let's not forget the .460SW

I certainly agree. There are way too many individual characteristics of each case/bullet combo.

And that don't even get into barrel length, and then COL on a non-revolver is pretty important...

And on and on and on......btw, what kind of oil is best? Just kidding.
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There is probably not much more I can add, but I love this round. I reload and the versatility that is offers is wonderful! From powder puffs to full power loads, it can do it all. My 5.5" Bisley has taken many, many hogs, a few deer and lots of other critters. It is portable, powerful, and accurate. I think you have to be a reloader to realize the full potential, but it is a wonderful round.

I once had a nightmare where I could only own one handgun and it was......my 5.5" Bisley in .45 Colt.
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.45 Colt Missing something? Yep... This cartridge has been around since 1873. The magnum sine 1956. So the .45 Colt has much lot more of our history behind it. Doing it's job as a black powder cartridge and now as a smoke-less cartridge. Then you wrap it in a Single Action revolver and you have a winner every time. The .44 will always be the 'little' brother to the .45 Colt. .429 to .452 also... The .44 will never quite be able to fill the .45 Colt's boots ... so to speak . I can load it up and down as needed. The .45 Colt reminds me of days gone by. Calvary, Cowboys, woodsman, camp-fires, cattle drives, frontier, etc... The .44Mag reminds me of city streets. Just not the same 'feel'. Give me a .45 Colt any day over a .44Mag.

Really though, in this day and age, either will get the job done (a dead game animal is ... well dead regardless of the cartridge). Personal preference ... and mine is .45 Colt.
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Boils down to liberty, that is why there are so many calibers to choose from. I owned a 45LC Blackhawk years ago, it got traded. Before SASS 45 LC did not have the following it does today. I personally prefer the 44 special, and 44 mag.
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.45 Colt Missing something? Yep... This cartridge has been around since 1873. The magnum sine 1956. So the .45 Colt has much lot more of our history behind it. Doing it's job as a black powder cartridge and now as a smoke-less cartridge. Then you wrap it in a Single Action revolver and you have a winner every time. The .44 will always be the 'little' brother to the .45 Colt. .429 to .452 also... The .44 will never quite be able to fill the .45 Colt's boots ... so to speak . I can load it up and down as needed. The .45 Colt reminds me of days gone by. Calvary, Cowboys, woodsman, camp-fires, cattle drives, frontier, etc... The .44Mag reminds me of city streets. Just not the same 'feel'. Give me a .45 Colt any day over a .44Mag.

Really though, in this day and age, either will get the job done (a dead game animal is ... well dead regardless of the cartridge). Personal preference ... and mine is .45 Colt.
Valid points.

I went with the .44 in my SBH. but my SAA will be a .45Colt
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If mister talkalot thinks a hot loaded 45 Colt is bordering on a pipe bomb.......wonder what he considers a 454 casul
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Wasn't wanting a 45 colt war guys... Just wanting a different view from mine. Good info from the positive posts. Thanks. Maybe I end up getting one.
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I think it's more a misunderstanding of the original post. You started by talking about a Redhawk in 45 C. That firearm is perfectly capable of handling Ruger Only loads in the loading manuals for the 45C caliber. If you have a small frame Single Action Army or clone then it isn't designed to handle the Ruger Only loads. So you need to be aware of your firearms capabilities and stick to the loading manuals. If you do so you won't have a pipe bomb or weapon of mass destruction just a good time shooting at the range.
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Hello. Just wanted to chime in about my experience with the 45LC. I was (and still am) pretty enamored with the cartridge, as I am with the 45-70 as both are very historic (1873) and both are adept at taking down large bears when loaded to modern (Ruger only for the 45LC and 1895 Marlin for the 45-70). They both kind of suffer today with misconceptions about their strength surrounding their black powder beginnings and how many still believe they are not safe loaded hot with even when used in guns built for it.

I used to have a 45LC in both a Blackhawk as well as a 1894 Marlin, the idea of which having a rifle and revolver able to shoot the same ammunition. That didn't work out well at all for me for various reasons. The marlin's Chamber size was too large (to the point of occasionally splitting cases) and required a fairly stiff load just to properly seal the chamber. The Blackhawk had the dreaded problem of the throats being too small and caused problems with cast bullets and accuracy suffered. I bought a throat reamer and did them myself which did help accuracy some, but still wasn't able to to hit that well with it.

There also was the issue with handloading for the 45LC. While there are some published warm loads out there for the 45LC I wasn't able to find much that didn't use H110 and for me I found that powder to be considerably trickier for a novice handloader due to its narrow requirements of the start load needing to be within 3% of the max load. I feel much more comfortable with 10% reduced so I never bought any H110. That really limited my options for creating real bear stopping loads from published loads (not Internet) in these guns.

So I sold both of them. I replaced the marlin 1894 with a Rossi M92 clone in 454 Casull and for the revolver, a Blackhawk 44 mag. Now I had far and away more published hot loads to try, not something found online but in reloading manuals and many without requiring H110 and its tricky narrow safety limits.

A few days ago I purchased a Super Redhawk Alaskan in 454 Casull and so now I once again have a revolver levergun combo and part of the fun is that I can shoot 45LC in both of them! I still have lots of brass for the 45LC so am ready to go. I will probably shoot light loads with the 45LC cartridges and save my heavy hitters for 454 Casull however both guns are notoriously strong so if as I gain experience could work up some very warm loads in 45LC if I get to that point.
Sorry about the ramble here. Rally like the 45LC even though my first guns had issues for me.

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If you didn't have a big bore pistol, buying a convertible would be more feasible. Since I don't have a Redhawk as of yet, im eyeballing the 45 colt/45acp. Shoot the acp for plinking, or even maybe get into IDPA(moon clips woohoo), then with a 4.2 inch barrel it would be legal for deer hunting in Illinois. Some heavy, hot loaded 325 grain .45 would take a white tail easily.
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My 2 cents. The 45 Colt is history. The look and the feel when loading them in my Interarms Virginian Dragoon or Uberti 1873 El Patron it's nostalgic.
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I'm not going to get into a caliber war type of discussion because it's pointless to do so.

I will say that when I was playing with big bore revolvers I found the 44's to be a bit easier to dial in than the 45 Colt. I am NOT saying the 45 Colt is a bad cartridge or incapable of fine accuracy. The 45 Colt can clearly be an accurate cartridge.

The 44 Special, 44 Magnum and 45 Colt are all straight walled, rimmed revolver cartridges. There's nothing magical about one over the others. However, the 44 Special has the smallest case capacity of those three.

The difference between the diameters of .429" and .451" is just not enough to cause me concern about the size of hole the bullet will make.

I left the big bore revolver scene for many years and when I returned to the big bore revolver game, I did not replace the 45 Colt.

The 45 Colt does lend itself as the basis for some extreme cartridges such as the 454 Casull and the 460 S&W mag, but I have no use for those cartridges. If I need more power than a 44 mag can deliver; I'll get a long gun.
Outside of the historical aspect of the 45 Colt and the modern magnum cartridges derived from it, I just don't see a huge advantage to the 45 Colt.

If you like it, great.
If you want one, get one.
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I think in the end, what people are missing with any of these large capacity rounds is, reloading. Starting with the .357 magnum and up they have nearly endless flexibility.
You can load them from mild to wild.
When reloading, choices are nice! JMHO
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