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Old March 1st, 2017, 10:14 AM   #16
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For me, part of the attraction of the 45 Colt that goes beyond the practical aspects of the cartridge's ballistics and reloading potential are some of the guns that shoot the cartridge. Yes, you can chamber the 45 Colt in just about any revolver, but there are some guns that were essentially built around the cartridge, from day one, and chambering those guns in any other cartridge changes the guns, themselves.

I have a Blackhawk and New Vaquero in 45 Colt and love them, but those guns could also be chambered in other cartridges without drastically changing the way they handle and feel. I know, because I have them in 357 and 44 mag, too. Have also had Redhawks in 45 Colt. Same holds true with them.

On the other hand, there are some guns ion 45 Colt where the cartridge and gun are so closely connected that you can't change either one and still have the same gun, not just in terms of looks, balance and handling, but also the gun's shooting characteristics. Here's a superb example of the marriage of gun and cartridge.

It's a USFA Rodeo, a Colt clone made by a company that lasted for a very short time, all parts, save for the grips panels, made in house (even the screws), here in the U.S. in the historic Colt Hartford facility. In terms of fit, finish, action, trigger and, very much in the way it shoots 45 Colts, it's the finest SA revolver I have ever owned. Trust me when I say that to shoot this gun is to fall in love with the 45 Colt.
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Yep, I have been shopping for big bore pistols for a few months. I fully intended to get a Colt clone SAA in .44mag. But after looking and reading I 'settled' for a 7.5" SBH .44mag and will get the SAA in .45Colt. The .44 will be for hunting and occasional plinking. And the .45 will be for fun time.

Sure, I could have gone with a .45Colt SBH but it wouldn't be a SAA. It's just a different gun. Just like a .44mag in a 5" SAA is (almost) a waste of it's power and would probably make the timeless SAA less fun to shoot, at least with full-mag loads.

Personal preference... Just like which oil is best?
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I am also a Colt .45 fan. I have a Ruger SBH .45 Colt and a Model 94AE Winchester, in .45 Colt , and I reload for them. There is just something fascinating to make and carry the same ammo in both guns. The .45 Colt is an excellent short range hunting round. Keep yer powder dry.........robin
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Its just supply and demand. 45 colt was a black powder cartridge so its unnecessarily large for modern smokeless powder. The 45 ACP has the same ballistics in a smaller cartridge and its more popular so it's cheaper.

.45 colt remains because there are people willing to buy it, but not enough to put ammo prices on par with the more popular and ballistically similar .45 ACP


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There are countless rounds that overlap each other in ballistics, accuracy, stopping power, whatever. Choose the one you like, makes no difference. I have revolvers in 32, 32 mag, 327, 38, 357, 357 max, 360 DW, 41 mag, 41 special, 44 spl, 44 mag, 445 super mag, 45 colt and 454 casul. Semi autos in 25, 32, 380, 9mm, 40 s&w, 45 acp, 10mm and 50AE. Plus a couple contenders in rifle rounds and assorted rimfire pistols. Do I NEED all these different rounds for anything in particular? Of course not. You could narrow it to just a few and cover every real NEED...................but where is the fun in that........LOL!!!!
This is my view on firearms in general. Life is real short. Why not do what you can to enjoy yourself? I actually have no specific need for any of the calibers I shoot. But I enjoy them all.
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.45 colt remains because there are people willing to buy it, but not enough to put ammo prices on par with the more popular and ballistically similar .45 ACP
Try a 1200FPS 300-grain bullet from your "ballistically similar .45 ACP".

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Try a 1200FPS 300-grain bullet from your "ballistically similar .45 ACP".




Such a round is significantly more powerful than a standard .45 colt cartridge and would be dangerous to shoot. 300 grain at 1200fps is in the realm of .44 magnum, NOT .45 colt.(1)

"Today's standard factory loads develop around 400 ft·lbf (540 J) of muzzle energy at about 860 ft/s (260 m/s), making it roughly equivalent to modern .45 ACP loads. There are Cowboy Action Shooting loads which develop muzzle velocities of around 750 ft/s (230 m/s). Cartridges of the World(2) states that .45 Colt should never be loaded to more than 800 fps."

I can't post links yet, but wikipedia has entries for the .45 colt, .45 acp, and .44 magnum that support these claims.


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All the loading manuals list "Ruger only" loads for the Ruger Blackhawks. This has been a common, accepted practice for years. These loads definitely do exceed the SAAMI loads for the .45 Colt cartridge, but in modern guns the more powerful loads are completely acceptable. These will develop .44 Magnum "power" at lower pressures.

It is well understood that such loads are not for use in older guns such as the Colt SAA and similar vintage double-action guns, and are so cautioned in the loading manuals.

Check it out . . . http://www.chuckhawks.com/high-pressure45.htm


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45 colt plus p loads like the 335 grain buffalo bore swc at 1350 fps is beyond anything a 44 mag 6 shot cylinder 44 mag can do. A 5 shot cylinder 44 mag will beat it but not a 6 shot one.
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Such a round is significantly more powerful than a standard .45 colt cartridge and would be dangerous to shoot. 300 grain at 1200fps is in the realm of .44 magnum, NOT .45 colt.(1)

"Today's standard factory loads develop around 400 ft·lbf (540 J) of muzzle energy at about 860 ft/s (260 m/s), making it roughly equivalent to modern .45 ACP loads. There are Cowboy Action Shooting loads which develop muzzle velocities of around 750 ft/s (230 m/s). Cartridges of the World(2) states that .45 Colt should never be loaded to more than 800 fps."

I can't post links yet, but wikipedia has entries for the .45 colt, .45 acp, and .44 magnum that support these claims.


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First of all welcome to the forum. Glad to have you aboard.

Sorry my friend but your info is just plain inaccurate. That comment regarding 45 Colt and 800fps might be applicable to original 100+ year old Colt SAA but modern SAA and clones are able to safely shoot hotter ammo than that. SAAMI is the standard for any modern firearm and almost all SAAMI spec factory 45 Colt ammo is hotter than 800fps. In fact about the only factory 45 Colt ammo you can buy less than 800fps is specifically designed for CAS.

Here's a link to some 45 Colt ballistics:

45 Colt Ballistics | Ballistics 101

As a comparison here's one to 44mag:

44 Magnum Ballistics Chart | Ballistics 101
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Wow. You guys like yer 45 colt! I wasn't trying to start a caliber war. Just wondering what others thought compared to my opinions. Good replies and thanks. I'm not a caliber basher. I guess if I reloaded I would probably be more hip to the colt.
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All the loading manuals list "Ruger only" loads for the Ruger Blackhawks. This has been a common, accepted practice for years. These loads definitely do exceed the SAAMI loads for the .45 Colt cartridge, but in modern guns the more powerful loads are completely acceptable. These will develop .44 Magnum "power" at lower pressures.

It is well understood that such loads are not for use in older guns such as the Colt SAA and similar vintage double-action guns, and are so cautioned in the loading manuals.

Check it out . . . High Pressure .45 Colt loads

Yep, your correct. I load the saa load for this....with w231 and a 225 and 250 grain round nose.



I can shoot the same rounds in this, in the addition to the ruger only 45LC hotter loads, and 454 casull 1650 fps with an xtp according to the hornady box.




Here is a buffalo bore hot load.

https://www.buffalobore.com/index.ph...t_detail&p=253

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Wow. You guys like yer 45 colt! I wasn't trying to start a caliber war. Just wondering what others thought compared to my opinions. Good replies and thanks. I'm not a caliber basher. I guess if I reloaded I would probably be more hip to the colt.
When the .45 ACP was being developed, the Army requirements were that it be .45 caliber and have ballistics similar to the .45 Colt. So, it's no big surprise that the .45 Colt (in standard loading) and .45 ACP (ditto) are very similar in bullet weight and muzzle velocity.

Of course, you can load the .45 Colt to mind- and hand-numbing power (if you have a modern revolver built to take the pressure) because of its black powder case, which has far greater capacity than is needed for smokeless powder. However, if you try to fire one of those hand cannon rounds out of an old Colt SAA, you'll still be picking revolver pieces out of your head when you're standing in line at the pearly gates.


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There's a lot of conflicting information on this forum. I'm not going to argue, but please research the loads that are safe to shoot through your firearm. .45 colt is an OLD black powder cartridge. With modern smokeless powders, you can easily inadvertently make a pipe bomb by shooting something out of standard .45 colt pressure tolerances. Please be careful, and please don't take the opinions you read on this forum as anything other than "something you heard from some guy".


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The thing I really like about the 45Colt is the fact I can load up and down the range of safe loads from light paper plinkers to near maximum loads...I can duplicate the various levels of factory ammo just fine..I have arthritis and a devout fear of way over pressure loads regardless of the gun so I don't play in the stratosphere.

In most calibers the factory ammo we can buy is either maximum or almost maximum for the caliber and components....so I don't fear loading in that range if I want to warm things up..they test the loads and unless your gun is absolute junk or a level not designed for their factory loads..you are probably going to be just fine....but to start there and ratchet the loading up and up is not my cup of tea...I've done it...and i'm convinced I can load a 45Colt to 44 mag specs and a bit beyond...but why with a 454 Cassie just sitting there waiting? I had a hot pickup...really highly modified and hot...but there were a number of vehicles that were faster...I guess putting on a big No bottle would have gotten me way past them but something would break and I'd get hurt. same with 45Colt...big case..lots of component styles and weights...lots of experimentation data, etc...but it's still a 45 Colt....Want to shoot big stuff get a bigger gun. my 2 cents.
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