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Old February 17th, 2017, 02:48 PM   #16
 
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I guess that I understand the attraction of a convertible ACP/Colt, considering the ammo cost difference.
On the other hand, I don't understand the same for the reloader. It costs about the same to reload either, assuming standard .45 Colt pressures.
I'm never willing to concede compromised accuracy going in.
That's why I only use .38 Special brass in .38 Special revolvers.

What am I missing?



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Old February 17th, 2017, 03:16 PM   #17
 
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While I have not discussed the intended purpose of the Convertible .45 Red with Ruger, I'm seeing the gun as a .45 Colt primarily that CAN shoot .45 ACP in a pinch.

It's greatest value in that context would be the ability to use ACPs if that's all you had when the chips are down, all you could get, or you just wanted to plink & had a bunch of ACP components on hand.

I think the gun will always be vulnerable to Short Round/Long Chamber accuracy issues to at least some degree, POI will vary between the two calibers so it's not necessarily a "drop anything you have in it, either-or, & head out the door" deal, and as I've said- much more bulk & weight than needed for an ACP-only gun.

None of which says don't buy it, just understand it before you do.
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I tend to agree with DPris regarding the intended purpose vs. managing expectations. I bought the gun because I wanted a 45c revolver to shoot higher velocity 45c rounds. So far it does that very well with IMR4227 and Win296 powders and 250g bullets. It just happens to shoot the 45ACP and that was a bonus to me. So far I get respectable groups with my Unique and 230RN reloads. I did not expect it to be a target gun. If so, I probably would want a revolver specific to the 45ACP caliber. My two cents.
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I have owned my Redhawk 45c/45acp for almost a year and have about 1000 rounds of colt/acp run thought it. I could NOT be happier the weight absorbs the recoil and I shoot it just as accurate as I do my GP100.
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Exactly HOW accurate does it shoot ACP?
Measured target group size at a specific distance off a rest.
Otherwise, you give no useful info whatever.

That's the problem in discussing ACP accuracy in this gun on an Internet forum.
Invariably the responses consist almost entirely of "Accuracy's good!"
Or "Accuracy's fine", or "Shoots good enough for me."
None of which helps anybody else decide if the gun shoots well enough for them to make a decision to buy one.

Not knocking anybody, just saying such vague & subjective statements are meaningless.
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Wow, well that leaves me out. I no longer take a tape measure to the range. Most of my shooting is done at critters or old stumps. Normstoy I agree with you it shoots well, that's the best I can say. I'm done with this thread
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Chief,
If you're still here, just understand that stump-shooting gives no definitive measurement criteria relating to the intrinsic accuracy of a gun or load. Or loads.

When one guy says "Shoots well for me", that can mean anything from "I can hit a barn from 10 feet away" to "I can get 1.5-inch 5-shot groups off a rest at 50 yards."

Saying "Gets good enough accuracy for my defensive uses" can mean anything from "I can hit a grizzly from 10 feet" to "I can reliably depend on my gun to address a human threat at 25 yards."

That type of vague & subjective statement may mean something to you, but it doesn't to anybody else.

Giving actual measured shooting results at realistic distances with several loads off a rest to eliminate shooter variables IS useful in determining the actual accuracy potential of a particular gun.

"I shot a skunk once, my gun's plenty accurate", or "I shoot this gun as well as I shoot that gun", with no supporting detail, says nothing.

How far away was the skunk? Five feet? No test of accuracy. 10 feet? Still no test. Twenty-five yards? A fair test.

How well do you shoot "that gun"? Do you get 8-inch groups with it, and 8-inch groups with "this gun"? What distances? 7 yards? May be acceptable for you, but may not be acceptable for anybody else thinking of buying "this gun".

Seriously- not trying to dump on anybody, and not saying anybody HAS to do formal accuracy testing to be happy with whatever they shoot.

Just saying that when performance questions are asked, it's not real helpful when most of the responses don't contain much more than "I like mine."

The questions in the original post were asking about whether Ruger had corrected the reported problems of the initial convertible .45 Reds.

Saying "Mine shoots well" contains no useful info at all.
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Well sorry my post did not live up to your high expectations my only thought on this is I love my Redhawk and will keep shooting for my pleasure.
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Yea, me to.......I agree with you. Normstoy. I,m to old for perfection.
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Norm & Chief,
It's not a matter of living up to my expectations.

The original poster did not ask how many people love their convertible Reds, he asked if the original issues had been resolved.

Neither of your posts addressed that.

Going back to specifics, rather than "I likes", the BEST 5-shot group of the WORST ACP load I got in the first of two sample guns tested was 13 inches at 25 yards.
That's the best group, of the worst load tested.

By the Stump Criteria Of Satisfaction, I could probably manage to hit a one-foot-wide stump at 25 yards, but I couldn't count on it, and if I wanted or needed to go for a smaller target, stump, or more precise shot placement on an animal, I could easily miss entirely.

If all I expected of my gun was the ability to hit a foot-wide stump out that far, the gun would pass the Stump Accuracy Test, and I could tell the world at large that "I like mine!"

Most of us want more out of the Redhawk.
13 inches at 25 yards is totally unacceptable.
With other ACP groups through that gun running from 3 to 8 inches in 9 test loads, it displayed a wide variation in accuracy not equaled in 8 .45 Colt test loads.

The second gun had tighter chamber throats & produced tighter groups, with the worst load shrinking down to 8 7/8 inches at 25 yards, still unacceptable to most of us.

By the Stump Standard, it could easily still cause you to proclaim "I like mine!"
But by traditional accuracy expectations, again most would not like theirs if it did the same.

That's hard data that people who want more than stump-plinking toys out of their guns can use to help decide on whether they want that Convertible .45 Red, or just go with a Red in .45 Colt.
Neither of your commentaries gave anything like that data.
And "I like mine" doesn't answer the question of whether the known ignition & accuracy issues have been corrected, which was the basis for this thread.
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I went with the S&W PC 625, it is a joy to shoot and carry.
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I agree with DPris, while I haven't owned one, I have shot several. Why? because they were brought to me by others, to see if it was the pistol or the shooter. In every case, it's been the pistol. Accuracy with 45 acp has been horrible. I personally wouldn't give an exra nickel for one that would chamber 45acp............I simply don't see the point, nor how anyone could expect it to shoot well
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I'm not trying to talk anybody out of the gun, again just saying understand it before you buy.
With some experimentation, it CAN shoot ACPs decently. Just may take some time to find the right load.
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Thanks for all the replies and discussion.

it seems obvious, to me, that the Redhawk spaces 45acp off the rim/moonclip.

However it is not so obvious to me about Smith's 625. Obvious that they have a moonclip creating the "rim", however isn't there also a case headspace "ledge" in the 625 cylinder? I have read that the 625 can also shoot 45acp without the moon clip.
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I am interested in the ability to shoot 45 acp. I have other 45s (acp & lc)and the ability to share ammo is what attracted me.

I'm not looking for target grade accuracy (the 45 lc would I'm sure approach that), however also not looking for dismal accuracy either - if I cant hit the broad side of a barn at 7 yards (or a 2 leg'd critter at 5 yrds across the room), then the 45acp capability is somewhat useless.

I have a lot of 45 acp reloads that shoot great in my 1911. And 45acp off the shelf stuff that I shoot in my BH convertible and acp Vaquero....however not every 45acp (esp reloads) like to fit in my BH and Vaquero.
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