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Old January 8th, 2017, 05:42 PM   #1
 
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Why a .44 Special GP100?

I've read the threads from back in the 'like to have Ruger make one' to now that they offer one and people on the forum here are buying it. I am still having trouble with seeing a 5-shot .44 Special DA revolver as anything more than a novelty collectible. The factory ammo selection of .44 Spl is limited and fairly expensive, with much of it low-powered in deference of older revolvers. The .44 GP surely isn't a CAS gun. For a concealed carry five-shooter, Ruger offers the smaller LCR and SP101 in several capable calibers. A regular 3" bbl GP100 offers six rounds of powerful .357 Magnum in the same package as the five-shot .44 GP. The Redhawk is offered in several big bore calibers and with six shots for a decent 'woods gun'.

I own both a 5 1/2" .44 Mag RH and 4" .357 Mag GP. To me, the flattop Blackhawk in .44 Special seems like a more useful gun than the .44 Spl GP.



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What you say does make sense, but it doesn't stop me from wanting one. And in several different barrel lengths as well

Seriously though, the 44 Special is a handloaders caliber. Versatile throughout a variety of load ranges from plinker to self defense.
I'd like the 3" for carry and a 5" as a range toy.
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I've read the threads from back in the 'like to have Ruger make one' to now that they offer one and people on the forum here are buying it. I am still having trouble with seeing a 5-shot .44 Special DA revolver as anything more than a novelty collectible.

Perhaps but they are not keeping them in the safe that's for sure several members here have already bought them and are shooting the snot out of them already. Even one member trying to see if they can cram mag loads in it to shoot.
(then of course blame Ruger and try to get a new gun out of them)
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Even one member trying to see if they can cram mag loads in it to shoot. (then of course blame Ruger and try to get a new gun out of them)
that's not exactly how I read it in that other thread.

Stay on topic please
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You got better eyes than me 'ole Owly.
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I agree, I don't see the point in the 44spl GP. The 8 shot .357 Redhawk is a bit more interesting, but still???
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What you say does make sense, but it doesn't stop me from wanting one. And in several different barrel lengths as well
I think this one sentence pretty well answers the question.
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I like the short barrel, big-bore revolver concept. When S&W reintroduced their classic DA .44spec Clint Smith wrote a great article on the effectiveness of big, slow bullets in a gunfight. His analogy was throwing bricks instead of rocks. I have previously owned 2" and 4" 5-shot .44mag revolvers and used lightly loaded magnums in them. Stout .44spl loads are available and should be good close range protection in the GP platform. I'm not trading in my 3" K-framed M65LS .357 magnum though. 158gr .357 JHP's are mighty effective rocks...
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that's not exactly how I read it in that other thread.

Stay on topic please
That's not how ANYBODY read it other than this guy it seems.

I will admit, the GP in 44 special, I really don't get it either..........But, they build a lot of stuff I don't get.

But hey........since we know they will build some odd stuff. What about some new model flat tops in 41 special
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But hey........since we know they will build some odd stuff. What about some new model flat tops in 41 special

Please, enough already with the single action you people have to much choosing's as it is already. And no more behemoth size DA either.

What we/the public needs and truly wants is Big bore snubbie and not the Alaskan snubbie size either. We need Big bore carry in preferably .45 a.c.p., .45 LC and perhaps even .44 special.

Concealed hammer or at the very least bobbed. No one is doing it except Charter Arms but their metallurgy is suspect at best.

No one whats to spend the money to tool up. All they are doinging is build different calibers on the same frames. And that b.s. is getting mighty old.
It's bad enough they are starting to make the LCR lineup look like crap with the Charter Arms anodized color.

You got 1 year Ruger to make some announcement or I'm taking my business elsewhere !

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Please, enough already with the single action you people have to much choosing's as it is already. And no more behemoth size DA either.

What we/the public needs and truly wants is Big bore snubbie and not the Alaskan snubbie size either. We need Big bore carry in preferably .45 a.c.p., .45 LC and perhaps even .44 special.

Concealed hammer or at the very least bobbed. No one is doing it except Charter Arms but their metallurgy is suspect at best.

No one whats to spend the money to tool up. All they are doinging is build different calibers on the same frames. And that b.s. is getting mighty old.
It's bad enough they are starting to make the LCR lineup look like crap with the Charter Arms anodized color.

You got 1 year Ruger to make some announcement or I'm taking my business elsewhere !

Ruger pretty much already made their version of this with the Redhawk .45LC/.45ACP. The difference is they were smart enough to not include the 410 part.
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Ruger pretty much already made their version of this with the Redhawk .45LC/.45ACP. The difference is they were smart enough to not include the 410 part.

The S&W Governor is the only gun I have ever truly regretted getting rid of ! I asked over 1 1/2 ago in an email to the CEO for a
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I think the 44 Special is a fantastic caliber. Comparing it to the 357 Magnum:

1.) subsonic vs. supersonic: might still have hearing after shooting in close quarters.
2.) bigger bullet; 200 vs 126 grain
3.) Elmer Keith

The problem is it isn't a very popular caliber these days.
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Firescout - You'll get no argument from me concerning the performance of factory 44 Special ammunition. The SAAMI spec for the 44 Special have always been a bit disappointing in terms of the cartridge's potential performance. It was that potential performance that lead Elmer Keith to develop his loads and eventually lead the way to the 44 mag. However, one doesn't need to go all the way to 44 Mag levels to get outstanding performance out of the 44 Special.
If we're talking factory ammo I must reluctantly agree that the 44 Special isn't all that Special. It will work but it just doesn't reach its full potential.

The handloader has better options when it comes to the 44 Special. A 240-250 grain lead SWC pushed to achieve 900 -1000 fps is a great load. Plenty of power, lots of penetration, very accurate and the recoil isn't excessive. Unfortunately that load will often be just a bit outside of SAAMI specs.

Until the recently there just weren't a lot of DA 44 Special revolvers on the market. You had the Charter Arms Bulldog and the older S&W models 21 & 24 (which are N-frames, so not a lot of size and weight difference to a 44 Mag.)

There was a giant hole in the market for a medium framed DA, 44 Special.

I can shoot a 44 magnum just fine but I just don't care for the cartridge. 90% of the time a warmish 44 Special will get the job done.

The argument that a 44 mag revolver will do the same thing as a 44 Special is partially true but it also requires that you have a gun that is big/strong enough to handle a 44 Mag when most of the time you don't need that extra size/weight.
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Those that have to ask have no clue. The 696 is a classic cult revolver from S&W. What is it? A 3" L frame .44 Special. Their owners love them and shoot them lots. The ones without the S&W "hole" demand a high price. The GP100 is even better with the sights on it.
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