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Old January 9th, 2017, 08:49 AM   #61
 
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He has already posted that factory magnums will not seat. Reloads should never be loaded outside of those SAAMI specs for case size, and crimps should be no more than factory crimps on magnum ammo.



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Fake news?
You missed the part where I specifically said ONE Black Hills 240-grain jacketed FACTORY load WILL seat perfectly in my Ruger?
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Fake news?
You missed the part where I specifically said ONE Black Hills 240-grain jacketed FACTORY load WILL seat perfectly in my Ruger?
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Just one, what about the rest of the Black Hills ammo? Could it be ONE round out of spec?
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No guy, I meant one BH load out of 7 different factory loads from various brands will seat completely.

I filled the cylinder with that load.

One LOAD, not one ROUND.
Five individual cartridges.

Our concern, whether or not you choose to understand or believe it, is that if Ruger's machining these chambers deep enough to accept one or possibly more .44 Magnum factory loads, sooner or later some idiot will try to shoot Magnums through this gun.

It was hard enough to get Ruger to build the .44 Special GP in the first place, and I don't want to see this gun get a bad rep from people doing stupid things with it.
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Here is a thought. Why not take a caliber and measure the seating depth of the cylinder? Add top of that the rim thickness, and see if the chamber is out of spec.

I suspect boutique ammo out of spec, more than an oversize chamber. Ruger has usually undercut their chambers, though most 44 specials have throats cut for cast.

I also have noticed that Starline brass is usually under maximum case length, which a lot of boutique ammo manufacturers use. Starline probably knows their cases will be reloaded many times so they cut them a little short. Factory ammo is loaded to a set spec for one time use, though they can be reloaded.

If in doubt, just send the gun back to Ruger.
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This is where you are wrong and also P89DC accusing him of "false news" is wrong. I have two 44 special Blackhawks, a stainless and a blued one. The blued one will chamber ANY 44 mag you care to drop in it. Factory rounds, reloads, whatever, they go right in it with zero issues. The stainless one will chamber SOME 44 mag rounds, both factory and reloads.

Interesting did Ruger issue a recall on those model guns ?
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BH is far from "boutique" ammunition, and BH quality has been first-rate for over 20 years that I've been using it.

My gun is not a problem, since I have no desire to shoot .44 Mag loads in it.

The bigger picture is if Ruger's routinely shipping this model with chambers cut deeper than .44 Special chambers should be, to prevent others from blowing off .44 Mags through the guns either out of ignorance (Hey- it's ALL .44, right?) or a misguided attempt to get more steam out of the gun once they find out they can get a factory .44 Mag to chamber fully.
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In the end, it does NOT matter if mags will chamber. Some of us are just trying to point out that it IS a possibility and others need to be careful.

"Boutique" ammo...........Is Remington, Federal, Mag Tech and Hornady considered boutique ammo. Because any one of those brands, in any load you want to choose will go in one my 44 special pistols. Why didn't I send it back? Why would I? It doesn't hurt a thing.............Just don't grab the wrong ammo.

With all the other problems with fit, finish and other CS issues, for you to think Ruger could not possibly have cut a few chambers too deep is laughable.
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BH is far from "boutique" ammunition, and BH quality has been first-rate for over 20 years that I've been using it.

My gun is not a problem, since I have no desire to shoot .44 Mag loads in it.

The bigger picture is if Ruger's routinely shipping this model with chambers cut deeper than .44 Special chambers should be, to prevent others from blowing off .44 Mags through the guns either out of ignorance (Hey- it's ALL .44, right?) or a misguided attempt to get more steam out of the gun once they find out they can get a factory .44 Mag to chamber fully.
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If it is not a problem why are you complaining? And have given no indication you have measured the chambers. Plus how do you expect them to correct a possible machining mistake if you do not inform them. On top of that the OP is still the OP, and clearly stated factory magnum ammo would not seat properly, it was reloads that were the problem.

Is not Black Hills factory re manufactured ammo? I would certainly not put them on the same level with major ammo manufacturers.
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Interesting did Ruger issue a recall on those model guns ?
Recall? Why would they. I just have one with very generous chambers and another with somewhat generous chambers. It's not a big deal. We KNOW Ruger chambers vary a lot. Many guys have to open up throats and some are fine. To think they get every chamber perfect is crazy. Tooling wears, setups change, etc
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With all the other problems with fit, finish and other CS issues, for you to think Ruger could not possibly have cut a few chambers too deep is laughable.

Just as I suspected, a 'hit piece' against a particular manufacture in this case Ruger.
I usually can a smell rat far off.

Go on any gun forum and they are dime a dozen.

This thread needs to be shut down. You people must belong to the 'progressive Liberal' fake news dept.
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Recall? Why would they. I just have one with very generous chambers and another with somewhat generous chambers. It's not a big deal. We KNOW Ruger chambers vary a lot. Many guys have to open up throats and some are fine. To think they get every chamber perfect is crazy. Tooling wears, setups change, etc
I would agree with this, even Rolls Royce sometimes have issues. Ruger has great customer service, so I don't see why all the whining. Just send the gun back, or use it as is. But most of all make sure the problem is the gun before finding Ruger guilty.

I had a problem with a Charter Arms pitbull. the gun worked fine until one of the pins broke. NO PROBLEM, no thread needed, they paid postage to send the gun back. And it will be returned quickly with no charge.

All companies have warranty for a reason, because scat happens. Otherwise if they built a perfect gun they would be fussy about warranty. Hmmmmm

OK OK when my wife's Glock broke they did take care of it. But for years they had a bad rap for refusing warranty.
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I would agree with this, even Rolls Royce sometimes have issues.

Sure do and if it's a dangerous issue they issue a recall.
Get it.

These people are trying to create an issue.
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I have informed two product managers at Ruger.

BH puts out both re-man and new ammunition lines.
Both have been, as I said, top quality stuff.

The load in question was not a re-man. All "virgin" components.
And I'd put BH at least on the same level in terms of quality as any better-known "name" brand maker.
Higher, in some cases.
You obviously know very little about the brand.

As far as a "hit piece" against Ruger goes, ludicrous idea.

My sample is a review piece.
I suggested the idea of the GP in .44 Special to Ruger over two years ago.
I've been keeping up on it ever since.

I pitched the gun to my editor, he did not assign it.
I've wanted to see the model come out for quite a while.
I wish Ruger nothing but success with it.
And- my concerns are strictly in line with Ruger making it a quality piece, correctly manufactured.

Anybody suggesting I'm merely dumping on Ruger for the fun of it is severely constipated.

If this chamber issue doesn't concern you, fine.
Just don't call it fake news & don't impugn the character of those who find the chambers to be a potential issue.

The guns should not accept .44 Magnums.
If they do, something's off, and that could be a problem down the road for some buyers.
In my case, all I'm doing is advising both people here and people at Ruger that the issue does exist in more than one gun.

If it doesn't matter to you, ignore it.
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I have informed two product managers at Ruger.

BH puts out both re-man and new ammunition lines.
Both have been, as I said, top quality stuff.

The load in question was not a re-man. All "virgin" components.
And I'd put BH at least on the same level in terms of quality as any better-known "name" brand maker.
Higher, in some cases.
You obviously know very little about the brand.

As far as a "hit piece" against Ruger goes, ludicrous idea.

My sample is a review piece.
I suggested the idea of the GP in .44 Special to Ruger over two years ago.
I've been keeping up on it ever since.

I pitched the gun to my editor, he did not assign it.
I've wanted to see the model come out for quite a while.
I wish Ruger nothing but success with it.
And- my concerns are strictly in line with Ruger making it a quality piece, correctly manufactured.

Anybody suggesting I'm merely dumping on Ruger for the fun of it is severely constipated.

If this chamber issue doesn't concern you, fine.
Just don't call it fake news & don't impugn the character of those who find the chambers to be a potential issue.

The guns should not accept .44 Magnums.
If they do, something's off, and that could be a problem down the road for some buyers.
In my case, all I'm doing is advising both people here and people at Ruger that the issue does exist in more than one gun.

If it doesn't matter to you, ignore it.
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