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Old January 8th, 2017, 01:48 PM   #46
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Checking seating depth with an empty case is not a valid test because it doesn't take the crimp into consideration.
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In theory shouldn't an empty 44 mag case not insert fully into a 44 special chamber? I understand how a heavy crimp could change the case diameter at the mouth but I was wondering if the empty case could at least confirm that the chambers were not reamed incorrectly (ie too deep or 44 mag reamer used instead of 44 special).

It's beginning to sound more like this is somewhat common on 44 Special chambered cylinders when using reloads with a heavy crimp. If so maybe Ruger is already aware and has their liability covered by the fact they mark the caliber on the gun and advise against reloads in the manual.



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Ruger is already aware and has their liability covered by the fact they mark the caliber on the gun and advise against reloads in the manual.

Oh yeah you better believe that one and that gun functions just like it was design to do.



The OP started this thread and was less than honest about what he was doing.
And sure enough we got the crowd telling him to call Ruger.

Others claiming he knows what he's doing, but when you read some of these threads you really wonder sometimes, people buying guns and have never even taken a safety course.
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Oh yeah you better believe that one and that gun functions just like it was design to do.



The OP started this thread and was less than honest about what he was doing.
And sure enough we got the crowd telling him to call Ruger.

Others claiming he knows what he's doing, but when you read some of these threads you really wonder sometimes, people buying guns and have never even taken a safety course.
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Ruger really should have just made this in a .44 Magnum. I wonder if in a year from now they will offer the gp100 in .44 Magnum. I know a lot of people have requested Ruger make a GP100 .44 special but why not make it a .44 magnum? Why intentionally make a weaker gun?
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Because many of us DO want a "weaker" gun, and Ruger does NOT want a .44 Mag in this GP frame.
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Because many of us DO want a "weaker" gun, and Ruger does NOT want a .44 Mag in this GP frame.
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^^^^ Exactly

Plenty of 44 mag choices in the Redhawk and Super Redhawk lines for hunting or bear protection purposes. A lighter more "compact" frame size like the GP is a great platform for a carry gun for self defense from two legged critters. The 44 Special is a much more appropriate cartridge for that task than the 44 mag.
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Just because there are down loaded (ie Cowboy) cartridges from the factory does not mean all 44 Special is "weak". A 44 Special with ballistics that are in the well proven 45 ACP ballpark makes me happy. Combined with a mid-size revolver it should be a nice concealed carry package.
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Seriously? I've been watching a thread on this forum for a year with like a million posts, begging Ruger to make a .44 special GP, and now somebody is wondering why Ruger made a .44 special GP. This is like my wife trying to decide what shoes to wear.
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Ruger, like all gun manufacturers, designs and builds guns to satisfy SAAMI standards and the manufacturer's engineering standards regarding safety factors. The marketplace has asked for a GP100 chambered for .44 Special and Ruger has responded.

If you want .44 Magnum performance, buy a .44 Magnum gun. If Ruger sees a market for a "smallish" .44 Magnum DA they will investigate the possibilities and produce something they are comfortable with. Pursuing the "Ruger-only overloads" is a recipe for disaster considering the vast difference in pressures between the two chamberings involved here.

Ruger has stated their position on this matter in their manuals for years. There should be no question about it or lame efforts to justify "+P" loads that exceed Ruger's stated position.

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Reading through this thread, the OP's original premise is false. The title is a great example of fake news....
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This issue is no different than that the .38 Special vs The .357. The SP-101 is a good example. Ruger Makes that Revolver either in .38spec, or .357mag, and the Buyer chooses what he wants the gun to shoot. I am quite happy with my GP in .44 special, and like others have waited a long time for the gun to become available. I intend to adhere to .44 Special loading Data published in my loading Manuals. If I desire to shoot magnums in a medium frame gun, I have a S&W 69 that will do the Job.
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Reading through this thread, the OP's original premise is false. The title is a great example of fake news....
So you are saying that it is NOT Ok to make Owners aware that under certain circumstances their Gun might accept the wrong ammo, and possibly cause injury to themselves or others
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So you are saying that it is NOT Ok to make Owners aware that under certain circumstances their Gun might accept the wrong ammo, and possibly cause injury to themselves or others
That risk is there anytime a shooter uses reloads. The shooter/reloader should know his ammo, and the capabilities of his/her gun. You mentioned that factory ammo would not allow the cylinder to close, apparently the factory ammo had the correct crimp with the correct trimmed case.

If your crimping the proper length case enough that it will chamber the magnum case in a special revolver you are doing something wrong. Usually factory ammo has a tight crimp, as it is usually loaded to within 10% of SAAMI max pressure.

Usually one full turn is the most crimp one could want, or need on a straight wall case.
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Ruger, like all gun manufacturers, designs and builds guns to satisfy SAAMI standards and the manufacturer's engineering standards regarding safety factors. The marketplace has asked for a GP100 chambered for .44 Special and Ruger has responded.

If you want .44 Magnum performance, buy a .44 Magnum gun. If Ruger sees a market for a "smallish" .44 Magnum DA they will investigate the possibilities and produce something they are comfortable with. Pursuing the "Ruger-only overloads" is a recipe for disaster considering the vast difference in pressures between the two chamberings involved here.

Ruger has stated their position on this matter in their manuals for years. There should be no question about it or lame efforts to justify "+P" loads that exceed Ruger's stated position.

JMHO

There are reasons the Ruger is rated for Special, and the S&W is rated for magnum. Ruger, and S&W are both originally designed as a six shot revolver. What is a plus for Ruger, and minus for Smith is reversed with a 5 shot. The cylinder stop cut on a Ruger is between the cylinders for a six shot GP. The 44 not only makes the walls thinner, it places the cylinder cuts over the thin area of cylinder. It does the reverse on the Smith 69, just like the J frames. Also is reverse on the 686 plus, the cuts are on the beefy part of the cylinder. And then there is the forcing cone issue.
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That risk is there anytime a shooter uses reloads. The shooter/reloader should know his ammo, and the capabilities of his/her gun. You mentioned that factory ammo would not allow the cylinder to close, apparently the factory ammo had the correct crimp with the correct trimmed case.

If your crimping the proper length case enough that it will chamber the magnum case in a special revolver you are doing something wrong. Usually factory ammo has a tight crimp, as it is usually loaded to within 10% of SAAMI max pressure.

Usually one full turn is the most crimp one could want, or need on a straight wall case.
This is where you are wrong and also P89DC accusing him of "false news" is wrong. Don't care if you two want to believe it or not, but it DOES happen that the chambers get cut too deep. I mentioned on the first page that I have seen this before, but I guess it bears repeating...............I have two 44 special Blackhawks, a stainless and a blued one. The blued one will chamber ANY 44 mag you care to drop in it. Factory rounds, reloads, whatever, they go right in it with zero issues. The stainless one will chamber SOME 44 mag rounds, both factory and reloads.

There is a similar thread on the other Ruger site and guess what........same results. Some are finding their GPs will chamber certain 44 mag rounds, so generous chambers is not something that is rare
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