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Old March 23rd, 2010, 02:24 AM   #1
 
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Barrel weight on SRH?

I read in some other post that the older Redhawk had trouble from heavy scopes mounted on the barrel, that when recoiling the barrel plainly snapped off where it met the frame.

I've got a Super Redhawk with 9,5" barrel coming in that I would like to use for a competition event called magnum field shooting, where we shoot at targets up to 200m (220y) lying down on our backs with the gun between our knees like this:


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In the open class the gun can weigh 2500 grams with scope, which gives me about 300 grams (10.58 ounces) that I can put onto the SRH to reduce recoil and stabilize it.

Can the SRH take this kind of weight on the barrel without snapping off or taking other damage?




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First off that's the first I ever heard a scope snapping a barrel off a Redhawk or any gun for that matter.No offense I don't believe that.Sounds like someone is starting rumors.

On a SRH the scope mounts on the frame and not on the barrel. I assume you plan on using the Ruger integral rings?

I had a SRH that the frame was defective. The Ruger rings were tearing the frame up at the cut outs. Two trips back to Ruger they finally agreed there was a defect with the frame and replaced the gun.
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Still don't believe me? Read the entire thread: Blew up my Redhawk - TheFiringLine Forums

More info here: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=224251

I'm not talking about the scope here, the scope will be mounted on the frame like it is supposed to on a SRH. What I'm referring to is a barrel weight, meaning something heavy that you screw or clamp onto the barrel to increase the recoil reducing weight of the gun.

Kind of like this:


With the long barrel of the 9,5" SRH, the weight would be on the very front of the barrel, which leads to my question of whether or not it would exert damaging force on the part of the barrel being in the frame, like the picture of the barrel mounted scope on the Redhawk.

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I stand corrected. That's the first I ever saw or heard of. Something still doesn't sound right that the weight of a scope under recoil can snap a barrel off.
I hope you don't think I was calling you a liar. You read so much on these sites half of it you can't believe.
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I read some of the posts. It would take a week to read all of them.There's 6 pages of them. It sounds like it was a defect and not caused because a scope was on the barrel.They used the wrong this,the wrong that.

I'm sure if there was a concern of barrels snapping off Ruger would of had one of their recalls to correct it. Ruger is very safety conscience.

I'm sure several comments will follow. I want to hear what other have to say. I'm having a hard time swallowing this.
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It sounds like Stress Corrosion Cracking (SCC). I read an article on it, I will try to find it again and give you a link to the site I read it on. Basically it was a change in cutting oils Ruger had used, that had caused the barrels to shear. Buy the time Ruger engineers figured out the problem, Bill Ruger had already extended the frames, and extended the barrel threads to beef it up, thus the Super Redhawk was born. The Redhawk was originally going to be discontinued, and the Supers where already in production,but they decided to keep the Redhawk. I for one am happy they kept the Redhawk, call me old school, but I like the full size grip frames, not that I don't like the Supers, they are both great revolvers. I hope this helps, and i'll try to find the article, Stainlesssix.
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Sorry guys, I can't find the article I was hoping for, but i'll keep looking. If you do a search under ( ruger redhawk stress corrosion cracking), (redhawk scc), or just (scc), it will get most of the info. I was hoping to find a different article which gave a better example, sorry if I find it, i'll post it, Stainlesssix.
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I found this on The High Road forum:
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Since I know Ed Harris, who was the QC engineer when this occurred, I asked him for the straight scoop:

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...there was a run of this back in the 1980s when we first started making stainless magnums. Ruger had a few dozen guns come back when I was there. All were traced to one guy on night shift who was over-torquing barrels on Redhawks which didn't quite line up, instead of taking a pass off the front of the frame on a Blanchard grinder as he should have done. He also used a wrong, slippery high sulphur thread lubricant intended for chrome-moly instead of the specific anti-seize compound used with SS.

This condition is aggravated by tight fit of barrel threads, such as whenusing a class 3A, combined with high stress, high temperature, and high barrel torque. Ruger fixed their problem by changing to a looser 2A fit on the barrel threads and assembling barrels to the frames using a Loctite product to cement them solidly while reducing stress on the threads and positively preventing any seepage of cleaning solvents into the barrel threads after they left the factory.
He's never told me anything about the SRH being born from this incident, though he did once say that it precipitated a ban on products containing chlorine compounds from the production floor. This was an effort to eliminate all possible sources of stress corrosion cracking in the plant.

Hope this helps clear up the confusion.
Production error or not, hanging 300g (10.58oz) on the barrel of a 9,5" gives some heavy leverage that might stress the barrel/frame connection. I want to be absolutely sure that the SRH can handle this.
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