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Old March 18th, 2010, 07:06 PM   #1
 
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LCR Torture test?

I purchased an LCR primarily for the weight (less than 16 ounces loaded) and caliber (135gr Speer Gold Dot), and I carry the revolver as a primary when size and weight is a factor for activities such as running or cycling or as a BUG.

I usually carry a G26/G19 and I've run thousands of rounds through the Glocks and I don't torture them but others have and the 9mm's are known for being reliable under some really crazy conditions. I get some comfort from that. What I'm wondering is if there has been a torture test on an LCR that might show what breaks first, what to watch out for, and would give me an idea how to keep it running if things get bad.

I have heard about the inherent reliability of revolvers, but do they (and the LCR) really hold up well to say sand, water, mud, dropping, etc? What say the collective?

I'll start: That little torx allen screw that holds the fire control housing, how much abuse before it comes loose and I wish Ruger would throw that little torx head allen wrench in the box, but I guess I need a set from Sears anyway....



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Old March 18th, 2010, 07:42 PM   #2
 
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38 spl you need to take a look on youtube about the LCR there is one guy there who did some testing and what he found. Well from what he was claiming I don't know if I would want the LCR. He had flame cutting on the frame of his gun. The LCR has a combination aluminum and polymer frame. Steel cylinder and steel barrel sleeve in the aluminum frame. What this particular individual was seeing was flame cutting of the aluminum frame flaking or melting off and seeing particulates of this on the cylinder of the gun after firing the weapon!!!! You want to see a torture test look on youtube!!!!
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38 spl you need to take a look on youtube about the LCR there is one guy there who did some testing and what he found. Well from what he was claiming I don't know if I would want the LCR. He had flame cutting on the frame of his gun. The LCR has a combination aluminum and polymer frame. Steel cylinder and steel barrel sleeve in the aluminum frame. What this particular individual was seeing was flame cutting of the aluminum frame flaking or melting off and seeing particulates of this on the cylinder of the gun after firing the weapon!!!! You want to see a torture test look on youtube!!!!


I don't know what came of this or what load he was using that cut the frame and he didn't update the video with a response from Ruger. I haven't found a case of this happening with Speer ammo.

Edit: I should look at all the comments: he said he used Remington +P and returned the gun for refund.

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38spl I am not saying that the LCR is not a good revolver but after seeing this video well it just made me wonder if there is problems with this gun. But this guy never made another video on the results he found either.
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Interesting enough, anyone that has something cautionary to say about an LCR usually refers to that utube clip. I can't say that I have tortured my LCR, but my comments are more in line with most of the posts from owners. Accurate, great shooting, smooth, little gun. I have no sign of flame cutting on mine yet. I don't think there is a manufactured product anywhere, guns or otherwise, that have not gotten a horrific review by someone on the internet, and in many of those cases we find out there is more to the story. That said, what I am watching is the issue of trigger "lock-up"/breakage. I have not experienced it, but I have seen some posts. My guess is that this could happen if you short cycle the trigger, and continue really squeeze on the now bound-up trigger. Perhaps there is an internal part that will not tolerate muscling the short cycled trigger. We'll see. We all want our guns to have "glock reliability".

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I own a Ruger LCR, and IMHO I have found in my life and with all things...user error is usually to blame. That being said there IS the few instances where manufacturing is in error. At that point the manufacture will repair or replace. However, a nice, non +P, .38 special, 125 grain JHP, and a couple of well placed CNS shots should do the trick. I don't plan to put 1000 practice rounds thru this gun or try to see what the hottest or biggest loads it can swallow. It is my life-saver, not a range elephant. For an experienced shooter, a box of 50 target rounds and 5 home defense rounds should be enough to get the hang of it. Practicing with an elephant makes using the chipmunk easier.
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I've read several different reports of this issue.
Ruger says it is from too much +P too fast.
The LCR is an ok gun, BUG, special purpose; just not a high volume rapid shooting weapon.
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I have only shot my LCP with 158Gr. LSWCHP +P w/o a mark left over after cleaning, and I'm not the best cleaner in the world? What is that YouTube guy firing through that gun? What does IOWEGAN have to say? As an aside, I bought a Colt Combat Commander Alloy framed .45. When I bought it, one of the old timers in the shop assured me that the frame would never last and would eventually crack from the recoil pounding (this is before stronger springs and buffers). I asked "How many rounds?" He replied "No more than 12 to 15,000 rounds." S---!!!!!!!!
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Tool for the job

This seems to me to be a complaint with no foundation.......I mean, I'm not gonna buy a Honda Civic and then complain when I get it stuck in 5 feet of mud because it "sucks in off road conditions"

I also don't expect performance from a product it never claims to be able to deliver. I mean, I bought a cheap alloy frame Armscor .38 revolver to use as a beater for $230 but I'm not gonna post a YouTube video after I've got 20,000 rounds on it saying what a POS my $230 NIB revolver is.

The LCR is a carry gun, i.e. Light Carry Revolver. It was not designed for people to take to the range and pound 30,000 rounds of +p+ through.

I would like to hear about a GP100 or SP101 "torture test" last I heard someone started a torture test on a Security Six back in 1987 and they've yet to get it to fail That's the range rental I heard that has over 500,000+ rounds on it.

I could never fault Ruger for making a polymer carry revolver that can't "take" lots of shooting, it's not like they don't make the strongest and most durable all steel revolvers in existence.

Take "internet reviews" with a grain of salt, some do have basis and are informative, but one guy posts a YouTube video and all the sudden "The LCR sucks!"

There are people who have been shooting the same Ruger revolver or auto pistol for decades problem free and they don't post a video saying how great the gun is, for the most part. The only internet "buzz" is usually when someone wants to say how bad a products "sucks".

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Is the LCR not an appropriate snubbie to run lots of rounds through-standard pressure, 125 or 130 fmj-at rapid fire? Or, is this a gun to carry a lot and keep the volume of shooting, even standard volicity, moderate. Get a SP-101 or Taurus for banging away? What is Ruger's warranty?
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I've read several different reports of this issue.
Ruger says it is from too much +P too fast.
The LCR is an ok gun, BUG, special purpose; just not a high volume rapid shooting weapon.
Nutty, do you have a link to the reports? It would be interesting to see what parameters Ruger put on their testing. I'm guessing they have frames with thousands of rounds through them with no problems. They probably did a pretty good torture test.

I agree with many of the posts here, that the gun is a lightweight carry not a range workhorse, at least that's why I bought it. But even so everything mechanical breaks, like 340pd frame cracking (.357). The Gun Zone -- S&W Model 340PD

It will probably be a long time before I total a thousand rounds with this gun, I just want to make sure it works when I need it to even if it gets muddy.
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Interesting enough, anyone that has something cautionary to say about an LCR usually refers to that utube clip. I can't say that I have tortured my LCR, but my comments are more in line with most of the posts from owners. Accurate, great shooting, smooth, little gun. I have no sign of flame cutting on mine yet. I don't think there is a manufactured product anywhere, guns or otherwise, that have not gotten a horrific review by someone on the internet, and in many of those cases we find out there is more to the story. That said, what I am watching is the issue of trigger "lock-up"/breakage. I have not experienced it, but I have seen some posts. My guess is that this could happen if you short cycle the trigger, and continue really squeeze on the now bound-up trigger. Perhaps there is an internal part that will not tolerate muscling the short cycled trigger. We'll see. We all want our guns to have "glock reliability".
Short stroking the trigger is discussed on the other board with almost the same name, google is my friend.
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Lcr

Not to bash the LCR but if in doubt just carry an SP101. That way you can actually shoot what you carry, as much as you want.

IMO the LCR is aimed at the "non" or "semi gun" person who doesn't shoot much, will probably run a box or two through it and then just carry it.

I'm not saying people who carry LCR's aren't gun people or aren't "savvy" but in order to make a profit I believe this is why Ruger developed this revolver. A person who wants to use their carry gun to also train heavily with it would probably not be served as well with the LCR, and I would recommend the SP or a 3" GP100, that way you can bang away as much as you want with what you carry.

I don't own an LCR and not saying it's not a good gun, but I will venture to guess it couldn't take the same round count as an SP101 before something started to fail. That still may be 10,000+ rounds on an LCR, which 99.9% of owners of these guns probably won't even approach that number.
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Not to bash the LCR but if in doubt just carry an SP101. That way you can actually shoot what you carry, as much as you want.

IMO the LCR is aimed at the "non" or "semi gun" person who doesn't shoot much, will probably run a box or two through it and then just carry it.

I'm not saying people who carry LCR's aren't gun people or aren't "savvy" but in order to make a profit I believe this is why Ruger developed this revolver. A person who wants to use their carry gun to also train heavily with it would probably not be served as well with the LCR, and I would recommend the SP or a 3" GP100, that way you can bang away as much as you want with what you carry.

I don't own an LCR and not saying it's not a good gun, but I will venture to guess it couldn't take the same round count as an SP101 before something started to fail. That still may be 10,000+ rounds on an LCR, which 99.9% of owners of these guns probably won't even approach that number.
I am totally in agreement. I bought the LCR as a pocket carry, and I have put less than 100 rounds thru it as a reliability test and practice. I bought a GP100 and SP101 for range,with expectations they will go many rounds with no problems.
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Are you guys kidding me? Who would want a gun that they have to be 'careful' with regarding the number of rounds they put through it, or be hesitant in shooting high pressure loads through? The LCR was designed from the ground up. It is rated for +P loads. American Rifleman did an article in July 2009 and had the chance to shoot one that the factory had reportedly fired 10,000 rounds of +P through it in a torture test. The results were that it shot as good on the last shot as it did on the first, with NO noticeable damage to any part of the gun:
http://www.americanrifleman.org/Webc...1-rugerlcr.pdf
Who knows what the guy in the YouTube video was shooting through it? I agree his ONE gun may have had some sort of factory defect. Possible, but doubtful. Are we seeing videos all over the internet about guys with LCR's blowing up??? This gun's been out for a year. They've sold thousands. Has there been a factory recall? Seriously - to buy one thinking "well, I can't really shoot that many rounds through it, and I need to be careful with the +P's" is absolutely absurd. Buy one. Shoot it. Often. You're trusting your life to it, for God's sake. I bought one not long ago, and am averaging 100 rounds/week through it and will continue to do so for who knows how long. I trust it. I carry it. I shoot it often. C'mon people . . . think.

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