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Old February 27th, 2010, 08:50 AM   #1
 
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GP100 police and security guns, info?

I have a few GP's that were police or security service guns, such as a 4" SS 357 full lug adjustable sight, a half lug fixed SS 4" DAO (the so called Canadian police GP's) a 3" blue ex-Canadian , .38 Special 4" fixed sight blue full lug.

I also have a half lug 6" blue GP100, has a lot of holster wear. I bought it used from a dealer who does police and tactical stuff. I know it is probably not an ex-duty gun, but it got me thinking, along with a S&W 586 6" that I saw advertised as a police trade in........

Has anyone heard of or seen, 6" GP100's used as any kind of police sidearm? It seems unlikely, but the fact that I saw the ex-police 6" 586 started me thinking maybe some 6" GP's were carried too. Again it seems very unlikely, since most police revolvers of recent history were 4", and carrying around a beast like a 6" full lug GP would be a lot of meat on a gun belt.



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Old February 28th, 2010, 10:01 AM   #2
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stantheman, although I think it's HIGHLY doubtful that your 6" GP is an ex-police gun, it is remotely possible. It would be a trade-in and the Officer would have purchased it himself, though, and it would have not been general issue.

I am a firearms instructor for the PD I work for. When I went to revolver instructor school, lo these many years ago, there was a guy also taking the course from a small town somewhere in OH (I can't remember where now, unfortunately). His duty gun was a 6" Colt Python. I was talking to him during one of the breaks and he told me that the firearms policy at his small Dept was pretty good, they were basically allowed to carry whatever they wanted as long as they could qualify with it. The Python had been his duty gun for several years by that time and he showed no inclination to change it for anything else. He said that he had bought it himself. Other than this individual Officer, and some general issue of 6" revolvers in the '50's and '60's by some Depts, I have never heard of a 6" revolver being issued.

Another possibility is that your 6" was taken as evidence by a Dept and sold off by the confiscating Dept when the original owner did not come to claim it after the criminal case was completed. Some Depts still do this, selling off evidence guns, to make extra $$$. Not many, Political Correctness has made most of them destroy confiscated guns so that they won't get out to us "peon civilians", but some still do.

You'll probably never know where the GP came from. All you can do is shoot it and enjoy it for what it is- an excellent revolver, regardless of where it came from.

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Excellent post, thank you for the info!

I had the same thoughts, that outside of maybe a small town sheriff who carried one of his own guns, that no 6" GP ever rode in a duty holster. I just wanted to see if anyone had any experience in this area, and that info was just what I was looking for.

I do have an ex-police S&W Model 10-5,made in 1971, with a 6" barrel, along with the S&W duty holster for it, but carrying a pencil-barrel 6" Model 10 is a far cry from a full size .357 like a GP! I guess we can say the 6" Colt Official Police and Model 10's were probably the last of the 6" duty guns, and it seems way more were bought and issued in the 4" models.

I see plenty of 4" full lug GP's, mostly stainless, some blued, for sale both at gun shows and online, that were police, corrections and security trade in's. I guess these were the 1990's-early 2000's era GP's that were bought as issue service revolvers before semi-auto pistols caught on fully, and they were a better price point for a good gun, than say a S&W 686 4" when a dept. or security company is buying 50-100 of them at a time.

I think it's true what has been said of the GP-100 as a police duty gun, it is the perfect duty revolver that just came out a little too late, and was overshadowed by wonder-nines and .40's. I haven't talked to a retired or older cop yet who carried a Ruger Six of any type and didn't love it. I knew one guy who had the option of keeping his dept. issue stainless Service Six 4" stoked with .357 HP, or a Glock .40 when his dept. went to those in the early-mid 90's, and he chose to keep the Six. I think it's a choice I would have made too.
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It's at least remotely possible that a 6" GP100 could have been used as a service revolver in California, where at least one LEO offered proficiency pay for demonstrated marksmanship; I forget if it was LAPD or the State Patrol. 6" revolvers during the time of revolver heyday were quite in vogue with discerning police marksmen back in the day, so I don't find it impossible to believe that an early-issue GP100 in the late 1980's could have found such employment.

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Interesting

That goes along with a thought I was also having, I saw a 6" stainless Security Six, chambered in .38 Special and marked "CHP" for sale on GB. I would have loved to have it but it went out of my price range.

I thought it was neat, that a relatively recent issue revolver could be found with a 6" barrel. At first I had thought the CHP mark could be a fake or something else, but the .38 Special chambering is not very common at all in the Security Six, even less so with the 6" barrel.

I have some pics of my half lug 6" I am trying to get up, along with a 4" .38 Special Speed Six marked "BPD". The Boston Police marked Speed Six was my "consolation buy" after I couldn't get the CHP Security Six, and I am now glad I lost the CHP gun and had to "settle" for the Speed, because the ex-BPD Speed Six is in like new condition and I "needed" a late production Speed Six! Plus I am a fixed sight 4" revolver kinda guy, and I have a wierd "niche" collection for .357 revolvers that were ordered chambered in .38 Special for PD's and security companies. Also have a 4" full lug GP100 chambered in .38, apparently an order for US govt. contract security guards who guarded govt. buildings.
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There's the half lug, and next to it my first Ruger revolver, the 6" full lug I plan to make into a dedicated 25 yard bullseye gun and all around "working gun". Call me crazy, but my plan is to swap the entire set of internals, and cylinder of my newer full lug into the half lug, and vice versa. I want to, in effect, "refurbish" the half lug with the new action from the full, and I plan to work on my full lug project as time and funds allow. The half lug seems to have seen it's share of rounds, and is well broken in, and also has a bent ejector rod. Since I like the half lug lots more than the full, I would like it to have the newer parts, and the full lug will get the well-used parts and as a plus, will be already "broken in" since the only parts on each gun that won't get swapped are the frame assembly and firing pin. Hopefully it works out well for both guns, and I can use the full lug as just a pure high volume shooter and target gun.

Also, the Boston PD Speed Six in .38, along with the .38 Special 4" blue fixed sight GP-100. I took a pic of the .38 Special GP-100 because many people don't believe these exist. I tell them I have a GP-100 in .38 Special and they are like "you mean .357?" and I'm like no, it's a .38 Special, and stamped ".38 Special Cal" on the lug! It solves the confusion I have seen on many forums, some people refuse to believe that a special run of .38 Special only GP-100's were made on order.

Also pictured are my security trade in 4" GP100 SS, and another trade in S&W 64-7, that I use to "defend" the fact that MIM and lock S&W's can be great guns too. The wood grips are not "right" on this gun, but I couldn't stand the Uncle Mikes, and I am looking for a set of Pachmayr Compacs for it right now. Yes, the era of S&W's with wood grips is over, and a set on a lock, stainless 64-7 is kind of anachronistic.





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It's at least remotely possible that a 6" GP100 could have been used as a service revolver in California, where at least one LEO offered proficiency pay for demonstrated marksmanship; I forget if it was LAPD or the State Patrol. 6" revolvers during the time of revolver heyday were quite in vogue with discerning police marksmen back in the day, so I don't find it impossible to believe that an early-issue GP100 in the late 1980's could have found such employment.

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Very interesting, Jon. I knew that some of the larger Depts issued 6" revolvers in the '50's and '60's, maybe into the '70's, and about the proficiency pay for marksmanship but did not know that the practice continued that late. I would have assumed that, by the mid- to late-'80's, the larger Depts would have gone to semi-autos. Interesting and thanks for the info.

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For armed security I carry the 6'' stainless GP100 with hogue grips. I carry speer and gold dot 125 gr 357 magnums in 4 speedloaders. I would feel very undergunned with a semi-auto. Sometimes the length is ennoying when sitting down though. I have yet to see another guard or LEO carry such a piece. It pleases sometimes to see 4'' smith and rugers in holsters but most of the time they are loaded with 38s and no or few reloads are seen on the duty belt. Now considering buying a GP100 4 " for CCW but not sure because of the weight and size.(also the size of decent reloads, like speedloaders or moonclips)
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Wow!

You carry a 6" GP100 as an armed guard! Is it a full lug? You're the man! That's some serious iron to pack for an 8-12 hour shift. I would do the same though!
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Well the stores and activities I work in get robbed when there is no guard, at gun point, it just happened to one of our stores 2 weeks ago, and that was one in a string of robberies of our stores and competitors too, so it is always possible that some robbers think there is no guard and come in with guns while Im there. If that day ever comes I want the conditions to be unfair for the robbers= The 357 mag outperforms every single semi-auto caliber, especially with hollow points(not counting a desert eagle in 357 mag, 44 mag or .50, those three guns being very heavy and not suitable for combat in my opinion, plus super expensive huh?).

The nay sayers that say only 6 shots is not enough have not met me yet(as well as some or real revolver shooters who can reload fast and do not need to pray and spray and are still praising the combat abilities of the revolver, you meet them at the shooting ranges and USPSA, although most of them shoot 45ACP revolvers, the weak smith and wessons right?? lol). It is true that I could have a 4" and would most likely give me the same kinda firepower but I like the length of the 6" because it gives a little more velocity to the bullet and I can take longer shots with it.

Basically I bought that gun because I thought it would get me out of most very desperate situations and I value my life and lives of the good people around me A LOT. I am doing this job while in college and engineering is my real vocation and I will not let anything get in the way!! Haha! I carry the GP in the ruger leather holster for the 6" with the thumb strap, although I wish it had an extra level of security like a trigger latch because sometimes I feel the thumb latch could possibly get undone in a bad situation.(fighting, running, getting slammed to the grammed, on the holster, somebody trying to grab the gun, etc...) It comes tan from Ruger and I dyed it black so it looks very nice now, and law-enforcement-like, it is not as if I just got back from a hunting trip.

And yes when I just got the holsters I carried it at work in tan color for over a month. The black also makes it look a little bit smaller and I have gotten way less Dirty Harry remarks since dying it black. But people still get excited at the sight of the 6". I have found that the trigger showing was not an issue, moreover it looks better and more deadlier. In this business appearance is REALLY important. If it is not enough of a deterrant then we'll just have to se what happens. But when you are watching your own back there is close to zero risk. My safety net is a second chance level 3A vest anyway, just in case a bad guy is crime-decent and actually connects on me if I wasnt watching or something....

Oh and a concealed 7" blade k-Bar knife under the uniform, sewn to the bulletproof vest carrier, in a easyly accessed position. May take pictures of the setup if I get a hold of a camera. I also converted my uniform shirt to snaps so I can ripp it open to access the handle of the K-BAR in a hurry.

Of course if the attacker is not really serious, I spray and batton my way out of it. This is the most likely scenario since armed security guards are a pretty good deterrant to crime and violence.

The GP I have is not perfect though as it needs the cylinder mouths chamfered as I waste time reloading sometimes when the tips of the hollow points get hooked up to the sharp edges of the mouths. Was considering moonclips too but 10% chance that I will do that. The speedloaders are just enough, speedwise. (ideally if you had to use a reload, 2 bad guys would already be on the ground and you would be trying to retreat because you were in a whole world of pain by now.)HAHA.

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I also have a sneaking suspicion that 6" barrelled revolvers were major contributers to the market viability of swivel holsters for awhile "back in the day"...

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6" full lug

I think that the extra 2", while it does bump up velocity and increase sight radius, etc. the main "cool" factor of the 6" full lug GP is that it just looks straight up intimidating!

I prefer the more "classic" look and the better balance of the 6" half lug, but I must admit my 6" full lug looks like a solid blue chunk of bad-ass!

It would be far more of a deterrent to pull out (or just even wear in plain sight) a huge 6" .357 revolver. If I see a good price on a used SS 6" GP full lug I may have to pick it up, just because I like they way they look, if anything else! I don't prefer their handling, but a SS 6" GP with Hogue coco bolos is something I want to add to my growing collection of all things Ruger.
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I know lots of officers that carried 6" S&W mod.19's after they quit makeing the 5"
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Found a holster

I just bought a Safariland basketweave retention holster on GB for a 6" S&W 586, couldn't resist it. Of course it will also fit a 6" GP100! I like the basketweave stuff, and finding duty type holsters like this for a 6" L-frame is tough, I've been looking for a while. There's lots of plain black ones out there but this is the first basketweave I've found, and I like Safariland stuff.

I enjoy collecting and building duty rigs for my revolvers almost as much as I enjoy buying the guns......I must have two Tuff boxes worth of rigs for everything from 4" Model 10's and Service Sixes to older 6" K-Frames. I don't do much with them, but I like to "complete" the gun, kind of like how those of us who collect military rifles need a sling and a bayonet for them, I like to have a holster, a belt and speedloader or dump pouches for my revolvers.

I figured this would be a good companion for my 6" half or full lug, even though the guns won't spend much time in it, unless I get back into hunting or find a range that does tactical pistol matches. I don't like sticking minty blued guns in holsters, but my blue half lug 6" already has some holster wear so this should be just the ticket for it.


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I also have a half lug 6" blue GP100, has a lot of holster wear. I bought it used from a dealer who does police and tactical stuff. I know it is probably not an ex-duty gun, but it got me thinking, along with a S&W 586 6" that I saw advertised as a police trade in........
Has anyone heard of or seen, 6" GP100's used as any kind of police sidearm? It seems unlikely, but the fact that I saw the ex-police 6" 586 started me thinking maybe some 6" GP's were carried too. Again it seems very unlikely, since most police revolvers of recent history were 4", and carrying around a beast like a 6" full lug GP would be a lot of meat on a gun belt.
LAPD used to carry 6" S&W Model 14s modified for DAO.
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