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Old January 7th, 2010, 04:36 PM   #31
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Old January 9th, 2010, 08:39 AM   #32
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Well I went down to my local "Wholesale Sports" (Formerly known as Sportsmans Warehouse). I eyeballed a Ruger Alaskan on the wall and asked to take a look. The thing is massive. This one was the .44 magnum, but it got the point across. I like the grips. They are perfect size for my hands. They are also very soft, which I'm sure Ruger intended to keep perceived recoil a little lower. The best part is that it looks like a grown up version of my SP101. That's good because I'm familiar with the inner workings of my CCW. I didn't dry fire the gun, but I did pull the trigger back enough to get a feel for the double action. Not too bad.

This thing makes my Ruger LCP look like a squirt gun.
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Ooops...double tap. Crap work computer...

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Old February 3rd, 2010, 10:12 PM   #34
 
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My original though was for the .454, and recoil isn't an issue. My wife thinks I'm insane because I love big recoil weapons.
Ahh, the musings of a fellow recoil-junkie.
I recently sold my lovely little 3" SP101 because, frankly, even with full power .357 it was a little "Yawn".
I'm going out tomorrow on a quest to find a .44 Alaskan. Only a few little black bears around here (I've only seen one) that a sharp stick could prolly handle. I'm buying an AK because just looking at it makes me giggle, and shooting full-house 44m out of short guns gives me some sort of wierd pleasure. I guess we were the "hey, let's blow this up" kids. I just wish Hogue made grips for AK/GPs like those cool round butt finger groove ones for SP's, they'd make it a little more comfy in concealed carry mode.... using the term "concealed" loosely.

PS. I'd buy the .454 for the better fix but ammo is too expensive and too hard to come by. Yeah, I could just buy 45 lc, but where's the fun in that?

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Old February 4th, 2010, 10:07 AM   #35
 
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I have a friend who is a guide on Kodiak Island. He told me that a .44 will be fine against a kodiak, but then he added, "of course, I personally carry a .454. I KNOW that works." He said that while rubbing a series of inch thick scars on his left arm.
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Amazing story about the bear, and explains exactly why I want to get one.

I called a local shop and he quoted me $729 for the Ruger Alaskan. Looks like I have some pennies to save.
I would take a .44 mag or .45 Colt Ruger Redhawk, stainless 4" with the heaviest bullets I can load. I would heavily suggest a double-action for the second-shot capability. You can get up to around 400 grains.
We have some good guys working on heavy "bear" loads right now.
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I vote Marlin 18" 45/70. Saw a show last night, poor guy got mauled by a grizzy, got off onw shot with a rifle but couldn't get his pistol into action fast enough, 44mag. One researcher/guide carried the afore mentioned. I live in GA, we have black bear, hogs, and yotes on my lease, I feel ok with a 357.
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Old February 4th, 2010, 04:10 PM   #38
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I vote Marlin 18" 45/70. Saw a show last night, poor guy got mauled by a grizzy, got off onw shot with a rifle but couldn't get his pistol into action fast enough, 44mag. One researcher/guide carried the afore mentioned. I live in GA, we have black bear, hogs, and yotes on my lease, I feel ok with a 357.
I have a .45-70, but it's not very hikeable. I use it around base camp, or have it in the truck, but when I'm backpacking... a pistol is much easier.
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Raminator, under most circumstances I would feel just fine with a .357 Mag with heavy loads. But I am considering black bear country. If you venture into areas where grizzly bears can be well I would consider a .44 magnum I know this isn't the most powerful round out there but its been proven. You have a wide choice of guns you can choose from and then if you want a lighter load you can load it with .44 specials. Good luck what ever cal./gun you choose, my 2 cents worth!
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A model 1894 Cowboy in 45 Colt would work, too, I believe, with heavy loads. Has the added plus of using light cowboy loads for plinking and target fun and it makes it so much fun to toss in a Ruger RB-45W Bisley SA w/ 7.5" Barrel.
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I have been comunicating with a fella that I have know for years, and who has had "much" experience with the big bears, and other large game. I asked him what the minimum handgun would be for the big bears....(even black bears can get quite large...another fella that I know took one that was 580 pounds), anyway what this fella told me was.....a 44 mag with a 300 to 325 grain bullet at 1300 and 1250 fps respectively, will take anything that walks. He stressed that its "penetration" that stops the bear, and the bullet has to make it to the central nervous system (as I stated above)...the brain, or the spine....this may not "kill" the bear, but, it "will" stop the bear. We have been working on a 405 grain bullet for the 44 mag and it has shown potential to stop a big bear. The penetration of this bullet out of a handgun is comparable to a 425 grain 45-70 bullet at 1850 fps tested in like media and distances.....Its not about hot loads...its about penetration, and not all hot loads penetrate well...the Linebaugh seminars have proven this (by the way, I believe Linebaughs bear defense load is a 310 grain cast at 1200 fps in the 44 mag). Again..the 44 mag as the minimum...the 45LC in a Redhawk would be ideal (that cartridge in a Redhawk would have no problem pushing the heavyweights to the velocity to get the job done), as would the 454, or more powerful handguns....a heavy for caliber bullet at moderate velocity will get the job done. For the purpose I chose a 5 1/2" Redhawk (DA is a definate plus) in 44 mag....................Now, if I was in a "situation" and I had a "choice", it would be a 12 gauge with James Gates Dixie Terminators!!!!
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I've fired some big stuff before. I've got a large frame to me, and despite many MANY people telling me that a Ruger SP101 is a handful with full magnums, I find it pleasurable. Besides, if you think that firing a .454 revolver is a handful, imagine how the bear is gonna feel.
Yep. That's all I had heard before I bought my SP-101 not long ago. "you'll hate it, it's going to be a handful". BLEH! BS! I shot 125gr JSP's out of that thing, and BEGGED for more! It is SUCH a fun gun to shoot. I may own another one some day. On topic/ I'd trust the SP against a bear with the right round/type.
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I shoot BB 180gr out of my SP101 but not many. 200gr 10mm with good bullets is about minimum but 41 mag on up is better and all with good solid bullets
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Hello' a forum newb' here.

I had a Ruger DAO SP101 that (just for kicks) I ran a few 200gr Cor-Bon HC... it didn't hurt... but I was done after trying them out.

I chose my Big-Game Woods-Gun... a new 4" Redhawk .45lc... powder-puff loads to TNT... it's quite a heavy revolver.

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Bud...welcome to the forum!!!!
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