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Old November 1st, 2016, 08:07 AM   #106
 
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A S&W 696 is a nice, handy .44, but the prices are in crazy-stupid range.


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A little off topic, but check out "Guns International" and all the guns that are being sold by Cabelas.. Talk about crazy-stupid range!!!!



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I bought a 696 when they first came out and paid far less than what they are asking now. Although I like mine very much, it has a thin forcing cone so I keep loads in the mid-range. If it was as tough as a Ruger then the prices would be more justifiable.
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So, I took out my GP100 (.357 Mag), opened up the cylinder, and set five .44 Special cases, head-down, on the rear face of the cylinder. The case rim touches the extractor ratchet and comes within a hair of the outer surface of the cylinder. The only way I could see a 5-shot .44 Spl GP100 working, is if a few major changes from the .357 version were made. It appears that a larger diameter cylinder and machined-out cylinder window would be necessary. Since the .44 Special cartridge operates at fairly low pressures, the chamber/cylinder wall could be relatively thin.

I'll be interested to see if this comes to fruition. I was eyeing the flattop Blackhawk Bisley in .44 Spl, but a GP100 (3" bbl) in the caliber could be nice, too.
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If I recall the GP100 cylinder is 1.55" in diameter. Dave Clements and Gary Reeder have built 5 shot .44 Specials on the GP. They may use a slightly greater diameter cylinder. Clements on his conversions claimed they could handle a 250 gr bullet at 1200 fps which is well above standard .44 Sp operating pressures. Also, S&W on their 5 shot .44 magnum L frame use a cylinder that is 1.575" if I recall in diameter. Here are pictures of the rear of the cylinder on a 69 that is listed on Armslist:




As a comparison here is a pic from the back of a .357 GP on the Lucky Gunner site:



and the rear of a cylinder on a Clements .44 SP conversion found on Proboards:



The cylinder wall at the outside appears thinner than the 69 unless one looks more carefully due to the counterbore for the caseheads.

One of the things that may be different on the GP vs. L frame is the distance from cylinder axis to bore center. If the L frame is less than there would be more meat in the outer cylinder walls but then also there would be less meat in the cylinder walls between chambers. Below is a link to a pic of a Gary Reeder Skorpion that is offer in .44 Sp:

http://www.reedercustomguns.com/revolvers/skorp-3.jpg

He mentions he does use a larger dia. cylinder. Another piece of info is that the Taurus 5 sot .44 mag Tracker cylinder diameter is 1.554" which is within 0.004" of the GP .357.
Here is a recent thread on the High Road regarding the 69's durability so evidently a gun this size can be made to stand up to fairly extensive shooting.

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.ph...bility.811903/

and another article on 69 durability:

http://www.thehighroad.org/index.php.../#post-9555056


The two things that I wonder about is the flat spot on the bottom of the forcing cone and the frame width for a barrel with a larger shank being the problem. Here is a discussion a year back with pics
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.44 Mag on a GP-100

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A packable 5 shot 44Special that handles Skeeter's load would be handy and Ruger would be the natural choice.
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A packable 5 shot 44Special that handles Skeeter's load would be handy and Ruger would be the natural choice.
From Clement's comments it appears the GP can be made to not only handle Skeeter's loads but also Keith's.

See: http://www.clementscustomguns.com/rugerdarevolvers.html

which is not now on his website visibly as he no longer offers the .44 SP conversion.

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Oh Yeah! I've been watching this for awhile. I've been on the verge of buying a Charter Arms version. It appears to be a good gun and with a right price. I have a Redhawk in .44 mag that is the best looking gun I ever owned. Best shooting, too. After watching Hickcock45 a few times, the Bulldog seems like a natural SD and carry piece. If Ruger came out with something similar, carryable, reasonably priced, I'd most likely be a candidate. I suspect that a lack of widely-available ammo is one reason Ruger is slow to consider this caliber. If you want a short barrel, reliable Mag version, look no further than the Redhawk Alaskan! I love shooting the .44 Special, and find it quite accurate without all the recoil. My hands and wrists have begun to enjoy shooting again, now that I have quit the Magnums. They are fun when you are young, but age changes a lot of things!
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I bought a 696 when they first came out and paid far less than what they are asking now. Although I like mine very much, it has a thin forcing cone so I keep loads in the mid-range. If it was as tough as a Ruger then the prices would be more justifiable.

I have a 696 also. Like the gun, but, the thin forcing cone is a negative. I have seen a few cracked ones. You cant, nor should you, attempt to hot rod the 44 special. Thats why they make 44 Magnums.
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I would like to have a Ruger 44 Mag.if and when they make one!
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I have a 696 also. Like the gun, but, the thin forcing cone is a negative. I have seen a few cracked ones. You cant, nor should you, attempt to hot rod the 44 special. Thats why they make 44 Magnums.
Nonsense. I have 2 Model 24's and a Blackhawk that easily handle hotter 44 Special loads. That is why I am interested to see what Ruger might do with the GP100. The idea of a mid-size revolver with a strong frame that can handle hot 44 Special loads appeals to many of us.
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A packable 5 shot 44Special that handles Skeeter's load would be handy and Ruger would be the natural choice.
I spoke to a new S&W 69 owner on another forum about a year back, who was looking for loads "with a little more pep" than factory. I suggested 7.5/Unique/ 240 - 250 gr. SWC. His "back from the range" report was that is was "just what the Docter [sic] ordered". Said it was accurate, "PRETTY controllable", and more fun than factory.

I wouldn't mind a 5-shot GP-100 in .45 Colt (or .45 ACP, for that matter), either, while we're discussing what Ruger MIGHT do some day...

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If they were to bring out 5 shot .44 Specials in Wyley Clapp and Match Champion configurations I'd buy one of each. I've got a SBH in .44 Mag so I doubt I would even mess with Keith loads in it, although I think they'd easily take it. I'd shoot Skeeter loads in them and be happy for the rest of my life.

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I've been waiting for Ruger to make a 5 shot 44 caliber GP-100 but they don't seem to be listening.
I would actually prefer a 44 Special and not a 44 Magnum, ....well truthfully a 44 Special +P which is an imaginary cartridge. The 44 Special is a great cartridge but the factory loadings and current SAAMI specs for the 44 Special fall short of the cartridges' full potential. If we could make a factory sanctioned slightly warm 44 Special along the lines of the 44 Special "Skeeter" loads that push a 250 grain bullet to 900-1000 fps., we would have a great factory cartridge. The 44 Magnum is a fine cartridge but it is hard on the gun and a warm 44 Special will do the job 95% of the time.
We have Redhawks and Super Redhawks to handle the 44 magnum. What we need is a smaller framed revolver (like say a GP-100 ) chambered for the 44 Special but capable of handling pressures a little beyond the current lame 44 Special factory loads.

I'm thinking a half-lug 4", tapered barrel with a 5 shot cylinder chambered in 44 Special built on a GP-100 frame.
Great post here! I agree with everything you just said.

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A 3" five shooter, heavier than my 3" CA Bulldog and tough enough for Skeeter's 44Special loads, will do fine for anything I need to do.

Ruger is already kicking booty on the revolver scene, this would strengthen Ruger's leadership position.
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Still no sign of a 44 GP

Guess I'm going to give up waiting and find a S&W model 69.
Would rather have a GP100 in 44spec. in 3", but who knows if Ruger will offer it in 3" even if they build a 44 spec.
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