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Old November 16th, 2014, 06:21 PM   #1
 
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Cutting Barrel

This may be a dumb question to ask by an old retired Army guy..
But what about cutting the barrel off of one of my 10/22's
to build a charger?
What affect will that have on the barrel? cutting to about 8in.



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Old November 16th, 2014, 06:31 PM   #2
 
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About the same as cutting your AR to 8 inches. 8 to 10 years.
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I believe you will opening yourself to a federal and state violation of the law and face possible criminal charges for a felony. Rifle barrel must be 16" by federal law and most state laws. Shotgun must be 18" in length. I do not know what a "charger" is.
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This may be a dumb question to ask by an old retired Army guy..
But what about cutting the barrel off of one of my 10/22's
to build a charger?
What affect will that have on the barrel? cutting to about 8in.
You can never cut a rifle down to be a pistol . It is illegal and will get you about 10 yrs .
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Buy a charger. It is and will be recorded as and treated as a pistol by your FFL. Then you are covered. It is just like folks who decide to make AR pistols, quick trip to the fed pen if it doesn't say pistol on it and was not transferred to you as a pistol.
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So you'all are saying I can't but that stock on it
and cut the barrel?
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So you'all are saying I can't but that stock on it
and cut the barrel?
Correct - Federal Law and those friendly folks at the BATFE will do unpleasant things to you for cutting a rifle down to pistol length.

If you can't find one locally, go on GunBroker and buy one to be shipped to your local FFL for the transfer.
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OK some back round. Army 1958-1978. Uncle Sam sent me to korea for my senor trip
it was no fun on the DMZ they could shoot us but A Big no no to shoot back. After that
He sent me for my summer camp (Nam) Except for the scratch on the side of my head
and hole in my leg. It was fun (If you want to called that) I lost 50,000 of my Brothers
and we got spit on when we got back...Even with that I stayed 20 years.
after that 20 years as a park ranger.So I'm not a stranger to guns. I have 7 hand guns
4 shot guns and 4 Rifles. The last one I got is a MINI 14 that my wife got me for my
birthday. (I'm 76 years old) so it's going to be a bummer spend 15 to 20 in the Pen...

Now if some one would and could a reply. about muzzle velocity,bullet trajectory
and so on. oh I can get a charger stock from Walmart $35 and Barrel 10 in. from Brownells
and ebay for 100 to 150$ and use my 10/22 Receiver. And that's legal ???..

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No it is not legal to convert a rifle to a pistol by cutting the barrel down or using a short stock. Barrel must be no shorter then 16 inches on a rifle and the overall length of the entire rifle must be 26 inches according to ATF rules. Not worth the time you would do in prison and you will lose your right to posses any firearms in the future as a convicted felon.
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But I can buy a stripped AR receiver and build an AR pistol or a rifle? The receiver has the serial number and is the "firearm" and goes through the FFL transfer but at that stage it's just a chunk of aluminum with no other parts. How does the BATF know it's going to be a pistol or a rifle?
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The "stripped" AR lower receiver must have never been built into a rifle for it to legally be built as a pistol. When transferring a stripped lower on a Form 4473, it is classified as an "other" instead of a rifle or pistol, that way the BATFE knows that it was not a complete firearm at time of transfer or purchase.

A 10/22 receiver is a rifle and cannot legally be made into a pistol. The Charger, even though mechanically the same as a 10/22 carbine or rifle, was built as a pistol by the manufacturer.

No one said the BATFE rules and regulations make sense.

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Once a rifle, always a rifle. Whether you cut a barrel, or install a shorter barrel, it's a rifle.

If it is shorter than 16" it is still a rifle- a short barreled rifle which must be registered and taxed.
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I want to thank the above members for giving heinz sound advise. Yes, sometimes the laws are confusing so people think if Ruger can make a Charger, why can't I? Actually you can and there are two legal ways to do it. You can turn a 10/22 rifle into a Charger if you get prior approval from BATFE and a NFA tax stamp ($200). This allows you to make what BATFE considers a "short barrel rifle" (anything under 16" and/or under 26" OAL). Another way that is perfectly legal is to buy just the receiver from one of the aftermarket suppliers. The Form 4473 must be documented as "other" or if you know you are going to turn it into a pistol, it can be documented as a "pistol". In either case, you MUST BE ABLE TO PROVE to any law enforcement official that your Charger is legal. Neither of these options is cost effective because adding $200 for a tax stamp or paying nearly as much for a receiver as you would for a complete gun would drive the cost of a home made Charger higher than if you just go out and buy a factory Charger to begin with.

BTW, Ruger (and all other gun manufacturers) have to get approval from BATFE for how their serial numbers are managed, based on the Gun Control Act of 1968. Ruger chose to use "serial number prefixes" to identify specific models. All Ruger Chargers have a "490" serial number prefix whereas 10/22 rifles made before Jan 1, 1969 have no S/N prefix and those made after Jan 1, 1969 have a host of other prefixes, but none are "490". So ... even if the words "Carbine", "Charger", or other such markings are removed from the receiver, the serial number prefix will dictate if the gun was sold as a rifle or pistol.

Here's an interesting legal decision that went all the way to the US Supreme Court concerning Thompson Center back in 1992. Stephen P. Halbrook, Ph.D. - United States v. Thompson/Center Arms Co. Seems T/C started making rifle barrels and stocks for their well known T/C pistol frames. Basically, the Supreme Court ruled it was legal to convert a pistol into a rifle, providing the barrel was at least 16" long and the receiver had a rifle stock attached making OAL 26" or longer. Many people confused this with the Ruger Charger thinking they could convert a rifle into a pistol ... which is definitely NOT TRUE. Based on the Supreme Court decision, it would be legal to convert a Charger into a 10/22 rifle (barrel over 16" long plus a rifle stock, OAL = 26" or more) providing you paid the excise tax, which most people are unaware of.

The Wildlife Restoration Act of 1937 was amended in 1970 and taxes all long guns, ammunition, and archery equipment at 11% ..... handguns and handgun ammunition at 10%. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittman...estoration_Act So technically, even though it would be legal under BATFE laws to convert a pistol into a rifle, you could still be prosecuted for "tax evasion" if you didn't pay the measly couple bucks 1% difference in excise tax ... and because it involves firearms, if convicted you would lose all rights to own firearms. In other words, it's just not worth the risk of up to $250,000 in fines and imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both.

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I believe that if you purchase a 10/22 receiver without a barrel and have it transferred as "Other Firearm" on the fed 4473 form you can then make a pistol from it. That is how it works with the AR pistols.
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MarkB, Not quite .... The receiver on a 10/22 or Charger is the serial numbered part that is treated just like an assembled gun. It is illegal for an FFL to transfer a receiver in the "OTHER" category unless it was manufactured in the "OTHER" category. In other words, if it is a Ruger factory part, it would NOT be legal because it would be serial numbered as a 10/22. If it is a Volquartsen, Kidd, or other aftermarket manufacture and the receiver was manufactured and reported to BATFE as an "OTHER", then yes, it could be transferred on a 4473 as an "OTHER" rather than a rifle or pistol.

BTW, there are a good many illegal AR pistols floating around that do not conform to the letter of the law. All it takes is being caught with one and you may have wished you had read the BATFE laws. People tend to think just because the serial number part is mechanically the same in a pistol as a rifle ... they can use them in a pistol .... not true and the last sentence in my previous post applies.
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