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Old June 18th, 2013, 09:47 PM   #1
 
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Ruger Americans vs. M77 Hawkeyes

Iím looking at buying an all-around bolt action rifle in either 308Win or 7mm-08 and Iíve yet to shoot a Ruger I didnít like; so of course, Iím looking a Rugers! Both the RAR and M77 are produced in both of those calibers in both Standard & Compact versions with a $450 difference in Suggested Retail Ö

My question is, what would I be getting for the extra $450 for the M77 verses the Ruger American ... Better accuracy? Greater reliability? Better trigger? Longer rifle life? Less felt recoil? All of those? None of those??



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Either will do the job. Do you view a rifle as something to take pride in and treasure or as just a tool? Spend more, get more but either will be perfectly functional and backed by the best customer service in the business

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I'll be pretty interested to hear some answers on this as well.

I have experience with the M77 in .30-'06 and it's a fabulous rifle, but I've never shot, or even held, an American. A store near me has a few they can't get rid of, though, and the prices might drop soon.
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I do not presently own either rifle but I sure am seeing a lot of American Rifles show up at the local range. Ruger must be selling a lot of these. I have yet to see an owner without a smile on his face.
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Either will do the job..... but either will be perfectly functional
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....Spend more, get more ...

Get more of what???
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Well, the M77 is a well-built, solid weapon that will outlast its owner in most cases. That is, it's a rifle you could pass on to your heirs. They operate smoothly and precisely and shoot well and accurately.

I think the question in all our minds now is that at such a lower price, is the American going to have the same level of quality and longevity? One wonders what methods were used to lower the price and what effect they would have on the function of the rifle both short-term and long-term.

The assumption is easy to make that, since it's a Ruger, it will at a minimum be a long-lasting, well-built machine, but I'm interested to hear from an American user to see what their experiences were, especially someone who also owns or has shot an M77, or other high-quality bolt action rifle.
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The biggest differences I see is that the M77 has the Mauser type action and the American does not. The American is also "power bedded" and the barrel is free floated. M77's do not have any type of bedding from the factory and the barrels are not freefloated in fact they are designed to shoot with some upward pressure on the end of the barrel.

I think the RAR might be a 'better' rifle because you get more for the amount of money spent. The Mauser type action is cool but it's not really going to help much, unless you're hunting dangerous game, and need a reliable follow up shot because your, and other people's lives depend on it.
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I can't say one way or another about the Ruger American. I have seen and handled a couple of them but that's about it. For the money they appear to be a nice rifle. I know one gentleman who has one in .243 Win and he's real happy with it.
I own one Hawkeye and several M77's. Some I have never fired and others I have shot allot and hunted hard with them. They are plenty accurate enough for hunting rifles. Far from target rifles but they weren't designed to be target rifles. In all fairness I have never worked up a load for any of them. I just fire Factory Ammo. The only downfall is the M77's triggers,but they can be cleaned up real nice or replaced with an aftermarket trigger. I really like the Ruger Integral scope rings on the M-77's.
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You pays your money and you takes your choice. If you have had a chance to hold, inspect, and operate both rifles but still want or need someone else to tell you what you 'get' from the higher-priced gun, then you'll likely be happier with the lower-priced gun. If you're just 'spec-sheet racing' and actually intend to buy a rifle based on that, I politely suggest that you may benefit from more experience with decision-making.
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The kicker for me is the steel floor plate vs the box magazines. I really like detachable magazines and the rotary magazines are very reliable. You can carry an extra one in your pocket just in case. And the new bolt on the RAR appeals to me. I'd go with the RAR and maybe get two rifles of different calibers for twice the fun.
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Get more of what???
It is difficult to explain something to someone who is apparently, not very familiar with the thing that he is inquiring about. If you can't look at the two rifles and see the difference, or between any $300 rifle and any $700 rifle, You may as well buy the $300 rifle. It will shoot closer than you can hold, go bang when you pull the trigger probably will last a long time.
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You pays your money and you takes your choice. If you have had a chance to hold, inspect, and operate both rifles but still want or need someone else to tell you what you 'get' from the higher-priced gun, then you'll likely be happier with the lower-priced gun. If you're just 'spec-sheet racing' and actually intend to buy a rifle based on that, I politely suggest that you may benefit from more experience with decision-making.
Well said.
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I do not presently own either rifle but I sure am seeing a lot of American Rifles show up at the local range. Ruger must be selling a lot of these. I have yet to see an owner without a smile on his face.
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Well, the M77 is a well-built, solid weapon that will outlast its owner in most cases. That is, it's a rifle you could pass on to your heirs. They operate smoothly and precisely and shoot well and accurately.

I think the question in all our minds now is that at such a lower price, is the American going to have the same level of quality and longevity? One wonders what methods were used to lower the price and what effect they would have on the function of the rifle both short-term and long-term.

The assumption is easy to make that, since it's a Ruger, it will at a minimum be a long-lasting, well-built machine, but I'm interested to hear from an American user to see what their experiences were, especially someone who also owns or has shot an M77, or other high-quality bolt action rifle.
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The biggest differences I see is that the M77 has the Mauser type action and the American does not. The American is also "power bedded" and the barrel is free floated. M77's do not have any type of bedding from the factory and the barrels are not freefloated in fact they are designed to shoot with some upward pressure on the end of the barrel.

I think the RAR might be a 'better' rifle because you get more for the amount of money spent. The Mauser type action is cool but it's not really going to help much, unless you're hunting dangerous game, and need a reliable follow up shot because your, and other people's lives depend on it.
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I can't say one way or another about the Ruger American. I have seen and handled a couple of them but that's about it. For the money they appear to be a nice rifle. I know one gentleman who has one in .243 Win and he's real happy with it.
I own one Hawkeye and several M77's. Some I have never fired and others I have shot allot and hunted hard with them. They are plenty accurate enough for hunting rifles. Far from target rifles but they weren't designed to be target rifles. In all fairness I have never worked up a load for any of them. I just fire Factory Ammo. The only downfall is the M77's triggers,but they can be cleaned up real nice or replaced with an aftermarket trigger. I really like the Ruger Integral scope rings on the M-77's.
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The kicker for me is the steel floor plate vs the box magazines. I really like detachable magazines and the rotary magazines are very reliable. You can carry an extra one in your pocket just in case. And the new bolt on the RAR appeals to me. I'd go with the RAR and maybe get two rifles of different calibers for twice the fun.
Thanks for all the input & info guys!!
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You pays your money and you takes your choice. If you have had a chance to hold, inspect, and operate both rifles but still want or need someone else to tell you what you 'get' from the higher-priced gun, then you'll likely be happier with the lower-priced gun. If you're just 'spec-sheet racing' and actually intend to buy a rifle based on that, I politely suggest that you may benefit from more experience with decision-making.
I fully intend to hold, inspect and operate both before making a decision; I was just hoping to gather some benefit from the personal experience & knowledge of the members of this forum who may have owned & used one or the other of two guns ....

As for your personal attack masked as a suggestion, the fact that you prefaced it with the word ďpolitelyĒ indicates that you were fully aware it wasnít polite at all!

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PS Ė FYI, Iíve made a decision on how Iím gone to evaluate future posts I see of yours Ö.
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It is difficult to explain something to someone who is apparently, not very familiar with the thing that he is inquiring about. If you can't look at the two rifles and see the difference, or between any $300 rifle and any $700 rifle, You may as well buy the $300 rifle. It will shoot closer than you can hold, go bang when you pull the trigger probably will last a long time.
You are correct, Iím not very familiar either model, or bolt action CF rifles in general as this will be my first; thatís why I visit this forum (to benefit from the personal experience & knowledge of the members) I was just trying to understand what you meant / get you to expand on your comment ďspend more, get moreĒÖ

Not to put words in your mouth (or in this case, your keyboard) it seems like you are implying that the difference lie mainly in the aesthetics, the craftsmanship involved and to some extent personal preference because functionally there arenít any significant differencesÖ Is that a fair assessment???
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