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Old May 13th, 2013, 09:04 AM   #16
 
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If they are reloads, then the gun shop I bought them at has some explaining to do. I'm pretty sure it is bad brass. After examining some unfired rounds with a magnifying glass, I found some of them that appear to have cracks already. I'm waiting on an email reply from hornady, if I don't get that in the next couple of hours I will be calling.



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Hornady is having me return the entire box, fired and not fired, at their expense. They will inspect and replace. They also claim that the lot # on the box was manufactured in 2007. The customer service rep and I both agrees that it is odd to find ammo that has been on the self that long in today's economy. They are standing behind their product though. So far so good.
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Hornady is having me return the entire box, fired and not fired, at their expense. They will inspect and replace. They also claim that the lot # on the box was manufactured in 2007. The customer service rep and I both agrees that it is odd to find ammo that has been on the self that long in today's economy. They are standing behind their product though. So far so good.
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Yes, it has a 1-10 twist.

I think handloading is in your future.

For years I had a 1-10 twist .22-.250 and it handled everything from 40 to 69 grains just fine. My best accuracy was with the 69 gr Sierra MK with H380 but other combos will work just fine.

My bullet choice now is the 53 gr VMax with a 1-9 twist. For bigger beasts I have 65 gr. Sierra soft point boat tails.

Save your brass and try various brands. Be sure everthing else is working as it should like your scope and such. Your rifle should be able to shoot less than 1 inch @ 100.

If in doubt about your rifle's twist rate, a felt tip pen, masking tape, a cleaning rod having a well fitted patch, and a ruler will enable you to determine the twist rate of your new rifle. Measure the distance it takes to make one complete revolution of the cleaning rod. Be careful not to get the rod stuck inside the bore.

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Old May 13th, 2013, 04:59 PM   #20
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Re: American 22-250

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Does anyone have one yet? I got one Monday, and have tried a couple of different types of ammo, but have yet to get it under 2" at 100 yards. Most groups are around 2.75". I have tried remington 45gr and Winchester 55gr. Any advice?
Congrats! I didn't even know Ruger made an American in 22-250. I plan on that being my next rifle caliber. I had planned on a Savage Mod 12, but I'll have to check this out!
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Congrats! I didn't even know Ruger made an American in 22-250. I plan on that being my next rifle caliber. I had planned on a Savage Mod 12, but I'll have to check this out!
there really is no comparing this gun to savage model 12. A more fair comparison would be to a savage axis. I've always been a savage fan, but the american beats the axis in my opinion. If I wasnt so worried about price on this gun, savage model 12 all day long....
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there really is no comparing this gun to savage model 12. A more fair comparison would be to a savage axis. I've always been a savage fan, but the american beats the axis in my opinion. If I wasnt so worried about price on this gun, savage model 12 all day long....
I agree, Savage M12 > Ruger American, but Ruger American > Savage Axis.
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Americans are 1:10 I believe. That could explain some of the issues he's having, but 55's should be fine. Perhaps he should try 60 grainers or something even bigger.
Yeah, you're right. It's on their website. Wonder why they would make a high speed drill like the 22-250 and give it a preference for slower ammo.
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Yeah, you're right. It's on their website. Wonder why they would make a high speed drill like the 22-250 and give it a preference for slower ammo.
All of those .224" cartridges have tight twists nowadays. I don't know why the trend has been towards heavier bullets, but it's plain to see that's the case. I guess a Winchester 64gr would be a sweet load, but I still prefer 50's or 55's for hunting with them. Whatever the shooting community wants, it gets (I guess?).
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The usual conservative view of the .22-.250 appears to be changing.

50 -55 gr. bullets zipping along at 3800 -3700 fps out of a 1-14 have a short time of flight and get out to 400 yds real good and blow up small varmints and paralyze coyotes well. But consider at at some range somewhere near 400 yds, depending on the bullets, the much heavier 65 -69 grain bullets equal the velocites of lighter bullets. The heavier bullets hit harder and resist wind better. Trajectores are not that much different.

I usually shoot the 68 gr. Hornady hp bt from my 1-9 .22-.250 with great results. The Sierra twist calculator gives a stability factor of less than 1.25 for this .980 inch long bullet @ 3300 fps. The Hornady provided BC is somewhat over .35.

The .224, 65 gr. .850 long Sierra GK is also a good performer. The twist calculator shows about a 1- 11 twist with a stability factor of 1.25 should work for that bullet. Apparently this bullet is for larger varmints but I would not use it as a deer rifle because I heve better rifles for that purpose. This should be an ideal bullet for the 1-10 Ruger.

The same rifle also shoots the 53 VMax, a .835 inch long bullet @ 3700 fps, and the Sierra twist calculator gives a stability factor of about 2.0 using the 1-9 twist. The Hornady BC is about .27 for the 53 VMax. This bullet may not stabilize in a 1-14 twist and the twist calculator appears to indicate a 1-12 twist is needed.

Accuracy of the 53 VMax & 68 hpbt is about equal up to 400 yds despite wide ranges in velocity and stability factors. The 68 does better in the wind, the 53 VMax is slightly flatter shooting up to 400 yds and blows up rodents better.

I wish Hornady would make a 65-68 gr., .975 long, .224 VMax bullet.

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They inspected the ammo I sent back, and it failed their hardness test. They (and I) believe it wasn't annealed properly. They are sending me a new box of ammo free of charge.
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Handload. I used to use a Rem 700 Varmint heavy barrel to hunt groundhogs with and handloaded using thr 53 grain Hornady hollow points, and oculd reach way out there and hit things. Tight groups were not a problem up to 250 yards with it. I do however forget what powder I used to use. (This was back in the late 70's, so just remembering the 53 grain Hornady surprised me)
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If the twist is 1 in 10", then handloading is definitely in your future and the heavier bullets are going to do much better with the faster twist rate. Kinda strange that Ruger would use a 1 in 10" twist in an "economy" rifle that's probably targeted more towards the general shooting public buying factory ammo vs. handloaders using the more specialized long/heavy .224" bullets.
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If the twist is 1 in 10", then handloading is definitely in your future and the heavier bullets are going to do much better with the faster twist rate. Kinda strange that Ruger would use a 1 in 10" twist in an "economy" rifle that's probably targeted more towards the general shooting public buying factory ammo vs. handloaders using the more specialized long/heavy .224" bullets.
The new craze among shooters is using heavy bullets in the .224" cartridges. It's now fairly popular to hunt deer (and even larger game) with the various .224" cartridges, so that is also a reason to design the rifles for heavier bullets. Their are guys on another popular forum who shoot Black Bears with .223 AI's and the like, as crazy as it seems.
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