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Old April 16th, 2013, 06:16 PM   #1
 
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Gunsite scout or Remington 700?

I go back an forth on these 2 guns. The ruger has the detachable mag and I like rugers a lot. The Remington has the longer barrel and will be more accurate out to longer ranges.

I want a long range .308 and I'm sure the ruger will be plenty of gun for 500 yards but what about 700, 900? I don't need a scout rifle with forward mounted scope. I would mount a standard rail and scope on the ruger if that's what I end up with but I like everything else about it.

I know a detachable mag can be added to a rem. 700 but that's a lot of money on top of a gun that I need to add a $600 scope to. For that kind of dough, I would move to an M1A and have a semi auto.

Not sure I'm asking for anything specific from you guys but I'd appreciate any comments you might have, especially if you were in my predicament and purchased one of these firearms.



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If you're wanting longer ranges...I'd go with the Remington 700! If you're just out plinking around...I'd grab the Ruger GSR in a second!
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I am a GSR owner and with the right kind of glass on top you will be fine, besides the GSR is just so dang sexy looking.
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I was just looking for a bolt action 270 Win. I just wanted wood and that cartridge, open to any bolt action. I originally was set on the 700. After about a month of reading and pricing, I went with the Savage 114.

Whats my point? I ready many, many, love their 700's. But I also read a number of comments dating less than a few years old regarding not quite par expectations on new 700s. Apparently their QC isn't what it was.

If you want real long range, though, the, what, 4"+ of barrel will help out with the exit velocity.
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Be certain to compare apples to apples. I'm seen 700s in 308 that were much cheaper than my GSRs, but the 700 was NOT a 900yd gun either. If you're serious about chasing 900yds, the GSR will do the job with the right glass to help you.

I have no idea about your skills, so what I'm saying may not apply to you at all. Pleas accept it as it's offered to anybody as a help. Most people who talk about shooting 900yds have no idea what that is like and many have never even sat a target out that far to see what it looked like. I doubt that there are many folks who could set a target out that far and totally cold walk the round onto the target in less than 1o rounds. It takes a lot more than just the rifle.

My fav 1000yd gun right now is a Savage 10 that's dressed out with a Nightforce scope, and a Harris bi-pod. It's fairly dependable and after about 1000 rounds last year at ranges starting at 100, then 200, then 300 then I had to change ranges for 500, 800 and finally 1000yds. Today I could pick that rifle out of the safe and shoot at 500 and hold an acceptable group. Shooting it at 1000yds with little practice would give me about 50% hit ratio.

My experience shooting the GSR at 1000 proved it to be acceptable to me, but not fantastic. Groups approaching 18" as I recall. This was shooting off sandbags in 3-5mph cross-wind. The Savage does about half that.My M1a will out perform the GSR, but not by a lot. I don't own a full blown NM version, but I hope too this year.

My opinions about Remington 700, is that the design has been selling on reputation for a long time and although it's a fair design, there are much better ones around.

FWIW. Have Fun!
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I'd go with the Remington 700 every day of the week for longer range shooting. They're well known for their accuracy, their triggers are great, and they don't have an 18.5" barrel either. I would contend that Ruger's triggers are less than stellar for long distance shooting, but a trigger can be replaced as well. Pick whatever one you like more, but if it were me I'd spend the money on a Rem M700.
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I was just looking for a bolt action 270 Win. I just wanted wood and that cartridge, open to any bolt action. I originally was set on the 700. After about a month of reading and pricing, I went with the Savage 114.

Whats my point? I ready many, many, love their 700's. But I also read a number of comments dating less than a few years old regarding not quite par expectations on new 700s. Apparently their QC isn't what it was.

If you want real long range, though, the, what, 4"+ of barrel will help out with the exit velocity.
Their QC is improving gradually. Their latest guns are feeling and looking better, and don't have any noticeable problems unlike a year or two ago. I wouldn't hesitate to get one today if I had a reason to.
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Thanks all.

Stargeezer: My skills are pretty much non-existant at those ranges. I've never been to a range that has anything over 300 yards. I find myself enjoying shooting at the end of the ranges of my current guns so I figured the next gun would be a longer range variety. I'm sure I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn at 500+ yards but with practice and training, I'll eventually get decent. Gives me something to strive for. I have access to some fairly experienced ex-military friends who have some long range experience to teach me.
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I'd buy the Ruger. My brother had a 700 and it misfired a few times. There was a special on TV a while back about the misfire problem and what they showed is exactly what happened to him. To scary to keep after he realized his gun was doing the same so he traded it in for a Browning.

Even so, plenty of people have had good experiences with them but that is the only one I have been around and it was creepy knowing a gun could misfire without user error.

I have a ruger 270 and have not had any problems in about 7-10 years of hunting with it.
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In that case the GSR in a heartbeat. You'll know when its time to move on and I'll bet you'll still hold onto the GSR and buy a different long range gun. You can never own too many guns.
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The ruger it is. I have my eye on a Nikon monarch 6-24X scope for around $600. The nightforce and leupold scopes are a bit out of my price range and I've taken quite a liking to my Nikon pro-staff rimfire 3-9X. MONARCH 3 6-24x50 Side Focus Nikoplex from Nikon
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Just get both.... Don't want you to stress over the decision....
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The ruger it is. I have my eye on a Nikon monarch 6-24X scope for around $600. The nightforce and leupold scopes are a bit out of my price range and I've taken quite a liking to my Nikon pro-staff rimfire 3-9X. MONARCH 3 6-24x50 Side Focus Nikoplex from Nikon




If I wanted a good brush gun I would choose the Scout rifle. It sounds like it would suit you well with the type of distances you are going to shoot.
I would disagree with some and say that the Gunsite Scout was not designed to be a long range rifle. And misfire problems on any gun can be fixed.
I'm waiting for Ruger to build the Scout Rifle with a 20" heavy barrel, 1-10 twist and leave the barrel end threaded.

If you are shooting up to 500 yards you may be overpowering the rifle a little using a 24x scope. You can get a very reasonable scope for half that power and price with excellent quality glass. 10x to 12x is plenty for 500 yards. I have an old 3x9 on my 7mm Mag and consistently hit MOA at 500 yards and for me is a nice power at that distance.

This is my Remington 700 SPS Tactical in .308 caliber. It is my dual purpose gun for hunting and target shooting and I bought it specifically for those two purposes. I have added a few things to it first being a new stock because the original Hogue stock that came with it is inferior. The barrel, bolt and action are all factory. I added a 1.5 - 4 lb.Timney trigger. Excellent trigger for hunting and shooting off the bench.
Two years ago I paid $570 for this gun new. That was out the door price which included a 5% Veteran discount from a local Sportsman's Warehouse. The discount pretty much covered the tax.


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A longer bbl is not more accurate. It allows more flex. You will notice a lot of bull-barreled bolt actions meant for long range.
My GSR is as mentioned... very handy.
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I got my 7mm08 Remington Model Seven (short-action relative of the Model 700) over 25 years ago, and it has been a great rifle. If I were to need a new bolt action centerfire rifle, I would likely choose the Ruger GSR. Two of my friends have...
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