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M77 22-250

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My buddy from work just bought a M77 chambered in 22-250 with a bipod used and a Winchester Model 70 chambered in 270 used for a combined total of $800. I know he did great on both but which one is a better deal? I would much rather have the 22-250 myself.
 
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By the way the M77 was stainless, if that affects price much on the used market.
 
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which on is the "better deal" is dependent upon which one he wanted more.
A Stainless hawkeye will cost you about $600 new. Winchester depends upon what it is, pre-64, post-push-feed, current production pre-64 style.....
Winchesters seem to have a cult following, around here; the following seems to be with people who talk guns, but don't shoot them.

So, He got 2 guns for the price of 1(assuming new condition), WHICH was the "better deal" is a funny way of looking at it:D

The used market is always, What the market will bear. That depends COMPLETELY upon your location, and regional popularity.
 
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Both guns are in excellent condition! I don't know the details of the Winchester but I had never had my grubby paws on a M77 Hawkeye before and now I have to have one. I've been wanting a 22-250 and that would fit the bill perfectly because it sure does feel like you're holding something. I'll wait a year or so after he's got a scope on it and offer to buy it from him because I doubt he will shoot it much.
 
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He got a great deal on both of them, no matter where you live that's a darn good deal. I'd assume it's a post-64 Winnie, but they were good too, except for a few periods where quality control got out of hand. Any one of the two for the price he paid would be a wonderful deal.

Now if he was really lucky and got a pre-64........ WOW.
 
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I found out today it was a post 64 Winchester. I am just curious but what changed in 64 that made them so valuable before then?
 
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They changed the feed & extraction method from a Mauser-type claw extractor (known as controlled round feeding) to a Remington-style (known as push feed). As far as 'value,' you (may) know how it goes:

Oh! They changed something, they changed something! They changed it because of their greed, the evil bastards! New things are crap! I will only accept old things! They were made so much better yesterday afternoon than this morning! I hate having hydraulic brakes and power steering! I want wooden brakes and pedal power! The cheap, cheap bastards!

The luddites saying those things suddenly became willing to pay more for the older design. Now, to be fair, Winchester _did_ cheapen the rifles up. They wanted to lower the prices of their guns, so they started using a different checkering method on the stocks, for example, and many people didn't like it as much. That's all fine, but those people's kids (or even grandkids, I suppose?) now pay a lot of money for the older guns, even if they wouldn't have a clue which end of the barrel the bullet comes out of.
 
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Let's not forget that quality control was spotty after '64, especially in the 72-80 period. Many people prefer (including myself) the CRF over the PF, so in our minds Winchester M70's were made before 1964 and after FN bought them. There hasn't been a sturdier gun ever built than the pre-64 M70, long after todays entry level stuff perishes them old guns will still be out there. They're virtually indstructable, the only con to that is they're heavy.

There is no competition for my dollar between a CRF and a PF rifle. Just my preference.
 
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