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Old January 9th, 2013, 08:11 AM   #16
 
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After extensively comparing the Ruger American with the Savage 12BVSS 22-250 Varmint, I chose the Savage. I'm glad I did too because accuracy from 200 yards and beyond my Savage kills the Ruger hands down. I guess as a rain gun the Ruger American would be an allright pick but for serious accuracy Savage just can't be beat for the money. The American I handled had a loose fitted bolt and an overall cheap feel to it. If I were after a rain gun or entry level rifle for my kids I would go with the Savage Axis which is also available chambered for the 22-250. The American does nothing to impress me, including it's price. Sorry for the harsh words but I think Ruger could've done better.
I used to have a Savage .243 that shot .5" inch 5 shot groups, as well as a .22-250 that would shoot equally impressive groups. All of their guns are very accurate, and I own 2 very accurate ones right now. They're also more expensive than the Ruger American though, so that is a con. I am a budding Ruger fan, I already have one M77 that is my centre piece and would like to have more Rugers. It's a Ruger thing, you wouldn't understand.

BTW, who says the American is innacurate?




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Old January 9th, 2013, 08:15 AM   #17
 
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Ruger Americans arent accurate!!!!LMAO
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Ruger Americans arent accurate!!!!LMAO
Yeah, I've heard they're very accurate myself. I'd like to set up 5 Americans versus 5 Savages and average out the results and see how close it is. I bet Savage doesn't win by enough to make it worth paying the extra money.
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Well said Trigger creep.
I've got .7 with out trying for any bullet depth adjustments or doing anything special. BUT! a deer is still dead give or take a half inch. If I wanted a target rifle I would have got something with a target barrel. But I don't want to carry a heavy barreled gun around in the woods. If some one wants to split hairs over a .2 difference in groups they need to start an "accuracy thread".
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They were touched on in the general new products thread here: http://rugerforum.net/tavern/66813-t...e-threads.html

I really like 22-250, but without a LH option a Ruger American of any flavor won't ever be in my safe.
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They were touched on in the general new products thread here: http://rugerforum.net/tavern/66813-t...e-threads.html

I really like 22-250, but without a LH option a Ruger American of any flavor won't ever be in my safe.
You poor unfortunate lefties. My dad is a lefty too, thank goodness I'm not. I may be a little ambidextrous though because I can balance and shoot left-handed reasonably well, though I'd never do it unless the need would ever arise.
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Interesting to see few people can appreciate a short barreled rifle, around here in PA we sure can.
Amen to that. It confuses me why Ruger went w/ those two chamberings, though. Seems to me .270, .30-30 & .308 would have more general appeal.
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I used to have a Savage .243 that shot .5" inch 5 shot groups, as well as a .22-250 that would shoot equally impressive groups. All of their guns are very accurate, and I own 2 very accurate ones right now. They're also more expensive than the Ruger American though, so that is a con. I am a budding Ruger fan, I already have one M77 that is my centre piece and would like to have more Rugers. It's a Ruger thing, you wouldn't understand.

BTW, who says the American is innacurate?
In no way did I state that the American was "inaccurate"! I was simply reporting that my Savages all shoot MORE accurately than my cousins new Ruger American (and all 7 of my own M-77's.) The American will actually shoot quite accurately (it did) but when we moved the plate out to 200 yards and further, that's when the Savage Varmint impressed everyone at the range that day and the American took a back seat to it. The American is a truly accurate rifle, just not AS accurate as a Savage. It's a Savage thing, perhaps you wouldn't understand.
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If you want to compare the accuracy of the Ruger American to the Savage model 11, I think David Petzal did in the Dec/Jan issue of Field and Stream. BTW, the Ruger was runner-up in the test and the Savage didn't place. Don't get me wrong, I like Savage, I've owned 2 (10 predator hunter and a mkII bv), but, when you compare price to the way the American is performing in most of the reviews, the American is pretty good. Also, it beats the Savage Axis all over the place in my opinion, for only about $50 more retail. If the prices were equal, then yes the Savage 10/11/12/16 might win, but prices are not equal, they are about $150 apart, in favor of the Ruger. And yes, triggercreep, I am excited about it. I've been researching the American and waiting on the 7mm 08 to be introduced. The compact size is just an added bonus. I think it would make an excellent ground blind gun.
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The Ruger American, compact or not, isn't something I'm inclined to get too excited about.

I definitely wouldn't trade my old tang-safety Ultralight for one!

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Amen to that. It confuses me why Ruger went w/ those two chamberings, though. Seems to me .270, .30-30 & .308 would have more general appeal.
Yeah, though .35 Remington may have worked better since it's rimless, I don't know how much that rim on the .30-30 would affect things? My dad used to have a Savage 340 in .30-30 and that was a bolt gun, so maybe it doesn't affect it all that much.
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In no way did I state that the American was "inaccurate"! I was simply reporting that my Savages all shoot MORE accurately than my cousins new Ruger American (and all 7 of my own M-77's.) The American will actually shoot quite accurately (it did) but when we moved the plate out to 200 yards and further, that's when the Savage Varmint impressed everyone at the range that day and the American took a back seat to it. The American is a truly accurate rifle, just not AS accurate as a Savage. It's a Savage thing, perhaps you wouldn't understand.
No I understand perfectly. I am well versed in using Savage rifles and shooting them, never shot or seen one shot that wasn't accurate. I like Savage don't get me wrong, but there is a price difference that has to be considered when arguing American Vs. Savage as well. The only 2 consistently innacurate Savages I've ever heard of my dad owned, one in .243 and the other in .308. I was far too young to shoot either of them, though.

All in all, Savage isn't the "cool" thing right now. The Ruger American has taken it's place in the hunting and shooting forums, it's the rage right now.
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If you want to compare the accuracy of the Ruger American to the Savage model 11, I think David Petzal did in the Dec/Jan issue of Field and Stream. BTW, the Ruger was runner-up in the test and the Savage didn't place. Don't get me wrong, I like Savage, I've owned 2 (10 predator hunter and a mkII bv), but, when you compare price to the way the American is performing in most of the reviews, the American is pretty good. Also, it beats the Savage Axis all over the place in my opinion, for only about $50 more retail. If the prices were equal, then yes the Savage 10/11/12/16 might win, but prices are not equal, they are about $150 apart, in favor of the Ruger. And yes, triggercreep, I am excited about it. I've been researching the American and waiting on the 7mm 08 to be introduced. The compact size is just an added bonus. I think it would make an excellent ground blind gun.
This post nailed it. The Savage Axis doesn't sell for even 30$ cheaper here, it's more like a 25$ difference. There is a noticeable difference in quality and feel even between these two entry level rifles. If Dozer wants to be more Apples to Apples, he should compare the Stevens 200 to the Ruger American, that's only a 50$ difference. Savage owns Stevens, and the 200 is just a cheaper 10/110 in a grey stock.
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Compact rifle with no .223 offering and a rifle with no .30 offering. Yawn. Neat idea though.
To me, the concept is for a lightweight deer/pig/black bear rifle. .223 is out for that. A .308 Win chambering would be nice, but given the choice between .308 and 7mm-08, I'd take the 7, anyday...
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