Ruger Forum

blbolin · September 8th, 2012, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by LunaticFringeInc

Im in the same boat with you and I have my local dealer ordering me one and cant wait for it to get here! I mean lets consider a 20 round box of steel case plinking ammo is 4.97 a box vs 12.97 for a cheap box of 30-30. Besides I already own multiple AK's and SKS's and have a gang of ammo socked away for a rainy day. As such it only makes sense to go with a bolt gun in the 7.62x39. Having done some reloading with this round I have been able to shrink 4 inch groups at 100 yards down to just under 2 inches in one of my SKS's, so I think the chambering has some serious potential in a well made gun.

My biggest reason for deciding to go with the CZ-527 instead of the Ruger or Savage is bore diameter in addition to the great reviews the gun seems to get on a consistent basis. It might be permisable to shoot a .311 bullet down a .308 bore, but having worked with explosives for over 2 decades...I feel more comfortable sending a .311 bullet down a .311 bore instead of a .308 one. Just saying...

You will love the CZ527 Carbine in 7.62x39. What a joy to carry, you can pick this rifle up with one finger, comes with a set trigger function although the regular trigger pull is great and the rifle is really accurate. The action is a scaled down mini Mauser perfect for this size cartridge. The 527 does not come with rings, dealer sold me a set of CZ factory rings for $39.00.
I have never had a rifle shoot such cheap ammo so well. I mean $129.00 for 500 rounds of steel Brown Bear 123 grain HP and getting one inch groups. Thats fun! I have had 30-30s and shot a 30-30 bolt action which one poster recommended as comparable, and let me tell you they are not in the same ball park with the CZ 527, plus again no really 30-30 cheap ammo available that will shoot like the 7.62x39 does out of a bolt action. This is going to be a great lightweight deer rifle. This is a great round in a bolt action for ladies as my wife likes to shoot and when we were at the gun shop and she seen it she said if you don't buy the 527 Cabine I will, you can't argue when a lady tells you that about a rifle.
Once I got interested in the 7.62x39 for a bolt action I tried to find a Ruger, but no dealer could get one. Then reading reviews of how well owners liked the CZ 527 Carbine I was able to find two in a short driving distance, I then picked the best deal. I would buy again in a heartbeat. The dealer said he usually sells at least two CZ 527 Carbines in 7.62x39 in succession as often the first buyers friend comes in and get one also after they see how they shoot and handle.
Ruger needs to make more Hawkeyes in the 7.62x39 as the ones shown in this thread look to be good shooters also. The dealer where I bought the CZ also said the Ruger is .311 bore, so that should be no problem if you can find a Ruger.
I did like how the CZ 527 Carbine comes with irons sights and at 50 yards I could get 3-4 shots almost touching, again with cheap steel case ammo. I wish Ruger would offer the option of iron sights of some of the calibers I am considering also.

Marine Division Two · September 8th, 2012, 05:54 AM

If I want a low recoil deer round,I go to my Ruger 77 7mm-08,Read up on this round,only negative is it does not fit my AKs.

laidlerj · September 8th, 2012, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by donwalk

...one of the things that keeps me from getting one is the limited bullet selection for hand loading...(but it's mostly for the AK)

I seem to remember that the Ruger Mini 14 in 7.62X39 had a bore sized for .308 bullets; you could fire the standard AK ammo and reload with .308 bullets. Am I remembering correctly - and, if I am, is the M77 barreled for .308 or .310?

Jim

LunaticFringeInc · September 9th, 2012, 11:51 PM

If Ruger is making the M77 with a bore diameter of .311 as one poster indicated, they would be the first non european manufacture to do so.

Yes many folks fire the European made ammo in the .308 bore Minis and do so without any noticable negative effect. If you read the last paragraph in my post you will see why I am not a big fan of doing so. In the 21 years I worked with explosives in the military I saw a lot of things that were once permisable, become prohibited actions in no uncertian terms as a result of post "accident" investigations where we had a explosive mishap. One of the most valuable lessons I learned in the military is that accidents dont just happen, they are caused! I just dont see how forcing a .311 object down a .308 hole can not result in elevated pressures, or be a good thing to do. I have no desire to risk being "that guy". Call me paranoid but I like having all 10 fingers still attatched to my hands and in working order, no apprecable hearing loss and keeping my 20/20 vision in tact.

blbolin · September 10th, 2012, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by LunaticFringeInc

If Ruger is making the M77 with a bore diameter of .311 as one poster indicated, they would be the first non european manufacture to do so.

Yes many folks fire the European made ammo in the .308 bore Minis and do so without any noticable negative effect. If you read the last paragraph in my post you will see why I am not a big fan of doing so. In the 21 years I worked with explosives in the military I saw a lot of things that were once permisable, become prohibited actions in no uncertian terms as a result of post "accident" investigations where we had a explosive mishap. One of the most valuable lessons I learned in the military is that accidents dont just happen, they are caused! I just dont see how forcing a .311 object down a .308 hole can not result in elevated pressures, or be a good thing to do. I have no desire to risk being "that guy". Call me paranoid but I like having all 10 fingers still attatched to my hands and in working order, no apprecable hearing loss and keeping my 20/20 vision in tact.

I can't say for sure about the bore diameter on the M77 7.62x39, but I was told that the newer mini 30's are .311 size. the CZ 7.62x39 bolt action is .311.

blbolin · September 10th, 2012, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Marine Division Two

If I want a low recoil deer round,I go to my Ruger 77 7mm-08,Read up on this round,only negative is it does not fit my AKs.

I think we were talking about how cheap to shoot and how accurate the 7.62x39 can be in a bolt action. The 7.62 also is very low recoil round as are many other calibers, but not all are the same ball park when it comes to cost per round.
$129.95 for 500 rounds of 123 grain hp 7.62x39 and still the ability to shot one inch groups at 100 yards is hard to beat for fun in these bolt action 7.62x39s.

Mayor Al · September 15th, 2012, 07:22 PM

I already posted a brag-post about my Mini-30...I do really like to shoot that gun. B U T , today at a gun auction in Indy, I had the chance to buy a CZ 527 BA Carbine (7.62x39mm) New in the box with the factory seals still in place on the receiver and barrel. Only one bid before I got it for UNDER $400.00. it feels good and fits tight on my shoulder like a good 22 would. I will do some test shots in the next day or so to get a feel for what it can and can't do...but considering what the stores are selling this rifle for today ($600+) I think I did very well. Photos coming soon.
AL

RJM52 · September 28th, 2012, 02:27 AM

Al...the WHOLESALE on that gun is $572.00!!!! I paid $389.00 for mine a good 10 years ago...you did well....

Bob

trucksurfer · October 11th, 2012, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bwinters

The 7.62x39 in a bolt gun is a low recoil deer round and will reach ourt about 75-100 yards further than traditional 30-30 ammo. The new Hornady levrlrution ammo makes up some of that difference though but a bolt gun will be more accurate than almost all 30 30 lever actions.

I have killed at least three deer with one of the original MkIIs like Bob shows above at well over 200 yards. Those who equate the 7.62x39 with the 30-30 are idiots.

pajeeper · October 11th, 2012, 07:58 PM

Anyone ever shoot Golden Tiger, just wondering how it does outside of an AK.

Mayor Al · October 11th, 2012, 08:37 PM

Photo Update of my CZ 527 7.62x39mm described a couple of posts up. It does shoot very well.

cptpoly · October 15th, 2012, 03:43 AM

I have one of the original M77mk2s in 7.62x39. It is the high polish blue, with a 22" lightweight barrel in the Zytel "boat paddle" stock (no inserts). The model # is: 07973. Purchased in 3/2001.

I understand that they may have only made 62 of these rifles in this configuration.......

I've only shot about 30 rounds through it, and not on paper. My recollection is that it doesn't have much recoil,and that it is relatively accurate.

I had the opportunity to buy one in stainless, but passed on it because I prefer blue steel. Now I wish I had the SS one too!

I've been thinking about buying one of the new Hawk Eye compacts in this caliber, but the M77/357 will probably be next!

trucksurfer · October 15th, 2012, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by cptpoly

I have one of the original M77mk2s in 7.62x39. It is the high polish blue, with a 22" lightweight barrel in the Zytel "boat paddle" stock (no inserts). The model # is: 07973. Purchased in 3/2001.

I understand that they may have only made 62 of these rifles in this configuration.......

I've only shot about 30 rounds through it, and not on paper. My recollection is that it doesn't have much recoil,and that it is relatively accurate.

I had the opportunity to buy one in stainless, but passed on it because I prefer blue steel. Now I wish I had the SS one too!

I've been thinking about buying one of the new Hawk Eye compacts in this caliber, but the M77/357 will probably be next!

The "originals" date to about 10 years before you saw yours on the shelf. You are mistaken in your assertion of the number made in that configuration as well, or else the local dealer in small town SE Nebraska got three of those 63 to sell himself. Ruger turned out the 22" and more commonly the 16" in blued with the new style composite stock.

keepnsafe · February 8th, 2013, 06:55 AM

Yes I own one and would never get rid of it "ever! Mine is somewhat different in its make up. It has a blued barrel and a stainless receiver. I mounted a Khales 2x7 scope on mine which seems to be a perfect match. I have taken many deer with this rifle and can not find one complaint. It shoots all ammo with expected hunting accuracy (+ 0r -1" @ 100 yrds). I have not tried to hand load for target accuracy, but I am sure with custom components it will shoot as well as any stock rifle and possibly out perform the CZ on any given day. I have used both the cheap ammo and the US made factory ammo with good results. The bolt throw is short and fast and I have been able to take more than one deer in a heard. I say buy one and some of the cheap practice ammo and you will have a gun you not only will enjoying owing and shooting, you will be very proficient with it.

blbolin · February 8th, 2013, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by blbolin

I got interested in a 7.62x39 bolt action as a low cost round as I really shoot a lot and many of the centerfires I shoot are getting costly to even reload for. Plus it seemed like a good excuse to buy a new rifle. After reading about the few bolt actions 7.62x39s I purchased a CZ 527 Carbine not long ago and yes it does shoot great even with cheap steel cased rounds.
The three shoot group shown was fired at 100 yards through the CZ. It was steel cased 123 grain HP Brown Bear ammo which cost me $129.00 for 500 rounds! I would also hope that a Ruger in 7.62x39 would also shoot great, although I couldn't find any in my area to even look at.
I have had no trouble shooting the steel cased Brown Bear ammo in the CZ, my only complaint being that its really dirty. But for the price, fun, and the accuracy I am getting its worth it. I clean my rifles as soon as I get done shooting anyhow. I would buy a 7.62x39bolt action again as it is a much more accurate round in a bolt action than the military rifles I have seen firing it. I guess the round is not inaccurate, but many of the rifles made for it are.
I think Ruger would sell a bunch in 7.62x39 if they would make them in quantity and the word gets out. I know that the Model 527 Carbine in 7.62x39 is popular with CZ fans, now I know why.

I have liked how well the the CZ in 7.62x39 has shot that I have been trying to buy a Mini 30 tactical now for the last sx months. I never did find a Ruger M77in that caliber so I ended up buying the CZ mentioned in the above post. I am glad I found it and purchased it.