I am considering getting a Gunsite Scout Rifle to fulfill the sole rifle category.
My only concern is, I previously had a 308 bolt action rifle and the first shot varied from the second and subsequent shots.
Is this typical of all bolt action rifles? Perhaps I expected to send 10 shots through the same hole at 100 yards. Instead I always had 1 in 1 hole and 9 in the other. So it always drove me nuts about where to sight the scope in...where the first shot would impact or where the subsequent ones impacted. So I got rid of it.
I'm considering either the mini-14 or the Gunsite Scout Rifle to be my sole rifle, what do you think?
Shots 2 through 10 through the same hole? Generally speaking yes, but just at 100 yards, never shot much father than that. I mean, it may have been the size of a nickel by the time the edges were torn, but my overall point is the first shot and subsequent shots would be noticeably different.
This was with high quality bullets and a big scope, I'm no expert marksman.
Mainly, I'm just trying to understand/not get back into this same situation if I go for another bolt action gun. I'm considering just focusing on shooting with good technique, hitting targets and not obsessing over cold barrel shots and group sizes.
I agree that short barrels are less affected. Short barrels are just plain more accurate, less vibrations, more ridgid, and they aren't as hold sensitive.
If its putting 9/10 shots into the size of a nickel at 100 yards (that's ~3/4), I would keep it as its already shooting better than 99.999% of out of the box factory rifles.
The cold bore shot is something you aren't going to get away from. Take a target, fire only your CBS into it every time you go to the range.
Nickel diameter = 0.832"
less bore, ( center to center ) = 0.832" - .308" = .524" = 1/2 MOA.
Great shooting.
I apologize, and god bless the pygmies in South America.
That said, I think that the best you could expect out of a Mini is 3 to 4 inches at 100 yards. It seems to be hit or miss with individual Mini accuracy.
I get exceptional accuracy out of my GSR. Hot or cold bore. I'm no expert, but here is my 2 cents worth. I handload and do not use factory ammo. I load up a spectrum of powder charges with several bullets and conduct 3 shot grouping tests with the various powder/bullet combos. I clean my bore before changing to a different load. I note and measure each group and go with the best, and then zero my rifle to that load.
Am I punching 10 shots through the same hole. No, but I'm not a marine scout sniper either. I do my best to be as consistent as possible. Consistency is the key in my opinion.
Here is an avg group I'm getting at 100 yards using Barnes 168grain Tipped Triple Shocks and Varget powder.
Just as an aside, there is a rifle that has solved the Cold Bore issue. It's a Barret .416. But, unless you're willing to pay $8k+ for a world class sniper rifle, I think you're stock with the issue.
It's been a few years ago now. Maybe it wasn't as much as I recalled? Seemed to be an inch or more, which past 100 yards begins to increase to an unacceptable difference at some point. The GSR targets above are impressive indeed.
Just about any bolt action will beat a Mini 14 in accuracy, but then we are comparing apples to oranges. My Mini 14 is a great rifle, but I use it with a red dot at about 50 yards. At 100 yards the 3 to 4 inch group result that someone reported is about right. I usually will get two within an inch and always a flyer about 2 inches from those on the third shot.
For accuracy I will go with my 700 Remington in .308.
Edit: My scout shoots to the left and high consistently, as you can see. Will correct with scope. I was sitting at a bench but did not use bags. Shot with elbow on the table, brought the rifle to rest, viewed target, shouldered rifle and shot x 5.
Edit: My scout shoots to the left and high consistently, as you can see. Will correct with scope. I was sitting at a bench but did not use bags. Shot with elbow on the table, brought the rifle to rest, viewed target, shouldered rifle and shot x 5.
A coworker and great friend of mine got me "paper punching" years ago on the bench rest. It is an admirable goal to find a "one hole" gun, but not an easy task. The gun can be great, but the trigger man has to do his part too.
Fast forward many years...now I am happy to hit a brick at 200 yards with my guns. I can do this with open sights with my Scout. Compare a brick to a deer sized animal, heck even a large fox squirrel, and you see why I'm happy with that kind of accuracy.
Is a 'one hole' gun really necessary? Not really in my humble opinion- but it is nice to know if you don't do your part in an adrenaline filled hunting situation, there is a little bit of margin of error with a super accurate rifle.
With most bolt-action rifles and typical *sporter* style barrels, the point of impact changes as the barrel heats up. My Remington Model Seven 7mm08 with 18 1/2" free-floating barrel in an HS Precision stock will put the first two back-to-back shots into <1". A third shot within a minute will be close, but most often slightly higher. If I shoot several more rounds within a minute or so, the shots will string vertically.
All that really counts for me is the first shot (and maybe the second and third, too) out of a cold, clean barrel. That's what I'll need when out hunti
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