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This is a discussion on 77/22 Scope within the Ruger Bolt Action forums, part of the Rifle & Shotgun Forum category; Back a few years ago I purchased a new 77/22 and I put a Leupold vxii 3-9x33 fine duplex efr on it hoping I could ...


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Old January 5th, 2017, 04:22 AM   #1
 
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77/22 Scope

Back a few years ago I purchased a new 77/22 and I put a Leupold vxii 3-9x33 fine duplex efr on it hoping I could out shoot a friend with a t-bolt. If I have the right ammo and I do my part, do I have a chance? Would you modify a new 77/22 to beat a T-bolt? What modifications would you make? Is a three lbl trigger bad?

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Old January 5th, 2017, 07:34 AM   #2
 
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Hi there. Have you been shooting your 77/22 for the last couple of years? What kind of groups are you getting with the rifle's preferred ammo? You see, rifles don't compete with other rifles. No rifle ever "beat" another one, it's the shooters who compete. The rifle, ammo, and optic are all parts of the system the shooter is using to put projectiles into a specific place. The Browning T-Bolt has a reputation as being very accurate, but shooting technique counts for a bunch. Three pounds is definitely on the heavy side for a trigger on a target rifle. The rifle will be easier to shoot with a trigger in the 2-2 1/2lb range. I'd sure like to see pics of some groups @50yds w/ CCI std Vel, Fed Champion or Gold Medal, or other good ammo. Show us what you can do!
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I have not shot the gun. I had someone mount the scope and sight it in.
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I took the gun out for cleaning/lub and I removed the scope. I also took the bolt appart and I struggled with that a bit. I come from the perspective if you can't clean it don't shoot it.
So...yes it has been and is a safe queen but there us no rust!

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Simple answer is NO. You have no chance of making that factory barreled Ruger shoot as well as a Browning T-bolt. Now, if you shoot better than your friend who owns T-bolt is another matter as pointed out. But rifle to rifle, there is no comparison in accuracy capability
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Unless you are super competitive about it, I'd not worry about the quality of the guns so much. Technique matters more. All my life I have been able to shoot better than any of my shooting/hunting buddies even when they had far more expensive firearms. How you shoot matters just as much, maybe more than, what you shoot, as long as the firearms are withing reasonable comparative distance of each other.
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Best I could do with my 7722 was about 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 MOA @ 100 yds. I used a Nikon Prostaff Rimfire 3-9x40 and changed to a Nikon Prostaff 4-12x40 for 100 yds.

I shot CCI Standard and Ely Match lead round nose ammo supported from a bench.

I changed the stock to a Volquartsen Target Sear.

Great little rifle that will easily perform as accuratly as the guy pulling the trigger is capable of shooting.
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three days ago I shot my beretta storm carbine in 9 mm with factory irons and at 25 yards and shot 1 inch smaller groups than 4 guys who had 1 scope 1 laser sight and two reflex sights all four guys were late 20s and I am 60. By the way the scope was a nikon the reflexes were trijicon and another high price one and the laser was a crimson trace. they were bummed and I said I had been shooting for over 40 years.
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I think the t-bolt will likely outshoot the 77/22 as others suggested, but I'd take that 77/22 over the t-bolt regardless. Those brownings just aren't my cup of tea.
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three days ago I shot my beretta storm carbine in 9 mm with factory irons and at 25 yards and shot 1 inch smaller groups than 4 guys who had 1 scope 1 laser sight and two reflex sights all four guys were late 20s and I am 60. By the way the scope was a nikon the reflexes were trijicon and another high price one and the laser was a crimson trace. they were bummed and I said I had been shooting for over 40 years.
None of that really matters. That's individual related, not equipment. I have won some rimfire matches with my 40X over guys who were shooting $2500 Anschutz match rifles. But it sure wasn't because my rifle was better. The OPs original question seemed to me, all other being equal, would the 77/22 outshoot the Browning..........NO.
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None of that really matters. That's individual related, not equipment. I have won some rimfire matches with my 40X over guys who were shooting $2500 Anschutz match rifles. But it sure wasn't because my rifle was better. The OPs original question seemed to me, all other being equal, would the 77/22 outshoot the Browning..........NO.
I think how the shooter/rifle combo performs is all that matters. I guess it's that I respect shooters, not the guy with the most to spend. Let's compare targets not dollar figures. I would have been cheering you on with your Remington beating the fellows shooting Anschutz. Pure accuracy and precision as measured by locking the rifle in a machine rest and using a hydraulic release are just figures and don't reflect my real world rifle using experience. I guess it's my built in response to every "What's the best/most accurate anything" internet question.
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Would you modify a new 77/22 to beat a T-bolt? What modifications would you make? Is a three lbl trigger bad?
What's in your wallet

I started with a stock 77/22 VBZ, which shot well with several types and brands of ammo. I mounted the same Leupold 3X-9X Compact EFR in Ruger rings, (they didn't require any lapping). It would shoot 10 shot, 1/2-3/4 inch groups with many types of ammo at 50yds, (after a series of lapping the bore with JB to remove/reduce rough spots). Groups at 100yds on a calm day were predictably larger @ 1.5"-2.0" or so.
Quality trigger parts and a Wolfe spring set made for a better trigger, but had little effect on group size. +/-
I installed a Shilen varmint weight tube which dropped average group size by 0.1"-0.2", not much, but measurable. Most groups hovered at the 1/2" number rather than the 3/4" size. It shot better.
Back in November I decided to install a set of trigger shims in my 77/XX's and ordered a selection of shims from:
Lance C. Shively <Lance@TriggerShims.com>
My best shooting 77/44 was very tight, and was snug on closing with a 0.002 shim. My second 77/44 required a 0.005 shim to stop flopping. My 77/357 needed a 0.004 shim. My 77/22 needed two shims that totaled 0.008 to even feel a change was made closing the bolt.

When I checked the sights on my 870 slug gun just prior to deer season, I took my 77/22 along and a box of Eley Target. Two 10 shot groups with a mild breeze, 50 yds, were both perfectly round and under that 0.5" goal by almost 1/8". I haven't shot the rest of the collection yet to test the shim effect, but I suspect.

When you look at the cost of my VBZ project, (lots of $$$), it's possible the cheapest and easiest upgrade may well be the shims. Might want to give them a try, first.
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