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Old January 30th, 2017, 09:21 PM   #61
 
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I would write a detailed letter and inform Ruger, that if they don't rebarrrel this rifle, that you will buy another brand and NEVER purchase another Ruger of any shape form or fashion. They might not care, but if it was me it would make me feel better and you MIGHT get another barrel or rifle. If we as customers don't hold their feet to the fire on some of this horrible junk they put out, it will never change



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Old January 31st, 2017, 09:40 AM   #62
 
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Got it back. The Ruger factory targets looked good. I could not see what they really did anything. The crown looked the same, the bolt looked the same - maybe it was a little tighter..maybe. So I took it out to shoot with three of the best previous loads plus factory Remington stuff. Nothing less than 4 inches at 100 yards...
Can you post a photo of the Ruger factory targets, with details on the ammo and distance?

When you say you got 'nothing less than 4 inches at 100 yards', how many shots was that and did you let the barrel cool after the first three shots?

How many rounds would you say have been through the barrel? Some rifle barrels (stainless?) may need the bore to be throughly 'conditioned' before they perform at their best.

What year was the rifle produced?

I'm with msp3903 in using Ruger's customer service to the max to achieve satisfaction.
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Old January 31st, 2017, 10:56 AM   #63
 
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Read the whole thread. This is an ongoing saga with this scattergun. From what the OP has posted, if Ruger got a decent group with it, they must have shot it at about 25 feet...............LOL!!!!

A slug gun should nearly shoot 4" groups at 100 yards. But a model 77 in 7mm-08? That's horrific. It's a tent stake at best as is
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Old February 6th, 2017, 01:42 PM   #64
 
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Ruger test fired the rifle at 50 yards after their "repairs". They used 4 factory loadings - Winchester and Federal, 130-150gr. Those groups were all under 1.5" - at 50 yards! Obviously that doesn't translate to 100 yard MOA accuracy. I think I threw them all away when I decided I was done. If they happen to still be residing in the can at my shop I'll post them.

Even if they re-barrel the rifle, they will do so with another Ruger "hit-or-miss" barrel. And I would then most likely need to re-stock it with either a laminated wood or much better B&C or the like synthetic stock. I don't think I want to sink anymore time, money or headache with this rifle. I wish it had turned out differently, but I think it is time to cut my losses. Nothing else I do to it at this point will increase it's base value. The only thing that would really change my mind is if I sent them a letter and they offered to replace the rifle. Hell, I'd even pay the shipping....

On a comparative note, I took my 30-06 M77 MkII SS with Zytel stock out this weekend and laid waste to everything I pointed it at with deadly results putting much meat in the freezer. Amazing how different the two rifles are. The '06 is quite a bit older and may have the "good" early barrel - I've not run the SN to be sure, but it has been a shooter from the get-go. All I've done to it is load development and installed a Timney trigger.

Season is over now and I've got time to look and wait on a good choice.

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I am so sorry to hear about your "luck" with this firearm. It blows whenever you have a rifle you like (nice to look at, right caliber, etc.), and yet....couldn't hit the broadside of a barn. Not to pour salt in an open wound, but an 1.5" at 50 yards? What the hell did they expect you to do with that? I realize that you probably don't take extended range shots when shooting game, but I seriously doubt you're hunting at the local zoo either. Wow, what a disappointment. That's like popping turtles in the pond kind of accuracy, not ethical kills of medium game. Well, that's my opinion anyways.
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Old February 7th, 2017, 11:29 AM   #66
 
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. That's like popping turtles in the pond kind of accuracy, not ethical kills of medium game.
I don't think I could hit a turtle with it....not even a big one at close range
(I've got a CZ 452 for that duty )

I am thinking I will write Ruger an email decrying their pitiful efforts and even more pitiful results. And that I will never purchase another Ruger CF bolt rifle. They probably won't give a rat's butt. It was obviously sufficient for them to send it back. I purchased the gun used - so I get what I got. It is truly a pitiful shame that a company like Sturm-Ruger will allow such things to go on in their top of the line bolt rifle. From all I've heard, the American is much more reliable for accuracy. That just makes no sense and I refuse to purchase one of those ugly things anyway....might as well buy a Savage if you're going that direction. For everything there is to like about the M77 rifle - the one thing that defines a rifle's ultimate utility is the one place where they step in it. Ridiculous. Might as well carry a dull knife.
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I would write them a letter AND call them and see if I could talk to guy who "worked" on it and ask him if HE would accept a rifle that shot 3 MOA at 100 yards as being "good enough". Used or not, people rave about Rugers customer service and how they take care of any and everything. This is piss poor
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I totally concur with msp3903. 3 MOA, that's not even worthy of "plinking" accuracy. I would love to hear what someone from Ruger (anyone) has to say about a rifle that is 3MOA, and what exactly it's good for. I for sure wouldn't have any qualms letting Ruger know how displeased I was in both their product, and their "service".......and I use both terms loosely.
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In my area very few people shoot M77 Rugers.....I don't see many that IMO are accurate.....about any RAR will probably shoot better....hopefully you get it figured out....
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Yes, that was my point. According to many gunsmiths, a common reason for poor accuracy in centerfire rifles is copper/gilding metal fouling of the bore. Many rifle shooters do not fully remove the fouling from their bores, so subsequent shooting just irons more metal fouling on top of the old fouling. Hoppes #9 is not an exceptionally good copper solvent. Sweet's 7.62 solvent is on the extreme end, for badly neglected bores. Shooters Choice solvent and WipeOut foaming bore cleaner are right there in the 'clean with it every time' products. J-B Non-Embedding Bore Cleaner (aka: bore paste) works very well with the initial defouling of an incorrectly cleaned bore. Occasional light use of the J-B paste during a rifle barrel's life will keep the bore bright. I've come to exclusively using the foaming bore cleaners to keep my rifles bores free of any jacket metal fouling. You should have at least an overnight cleaning regimen, with initial 'blowing out' of carbon and basic copper fouling with only the foaming cleaner. This gets the abrasive carbon out with no brushing. I have also taken to using nylon bristle bore brushes with the foaming cleaner on my rifles, though I still keep bronze brushes on hand for other guns. Alternating cycles of bore solvent, brief soaking, brushing, and dry patching is my main method.

In most new production rifle barrels, shooting 50-100 bullets through the bore, along with proper defouling/cleaning, will normally break in' the barrel (smoothing out the rifling/tool marks) and result in better performance and easier cleaning in the future.
many rifles require a certain amount of buildup to shoot accurate.....majority of top benchrest guys don't clean barrels until accuracy drops off and then they mostly just clean with a regular solvent....and leave most of the cooper than fills imperfections in the bore...
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many rifles require a certain amount of buildup to shoot accurate.....majority of top benchrest guys don't clean barrels until accuracy drops off and then they mostly just clean with a regular solvent....and leave most of the cooper than fills imperfections in the bore...
I don't clean any of my target rifles until the groups open up beyond 1", and I use Butch's. I'm a firm believer in breaking in a barrel, which most people think is stupid.......Stupid until they see how my guns shoot.......

I'm a little miffed, I have a 7-08 T/C Enore which will shoot 1" at 100yds....but I only have 15" barrel. I would expect better.


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I'm new to this forum and late to this thread, that said, I have something to check. I did rimfire benchrest competitions for the past 12 years and worked with my gunsmith on producing my custom rifles. One thing he always did was to slug the barrel before installing it. Taking a lead bullet, he pushes it down the barrel with a stiff one-piece cleaning rod. Ideally, the slug should have an even amount of pressure as it is pushed down the bore. Most of the premium barrels he used were taper lapped before leaving the barrel maker and he was able to do that kind of work as well. Here is the most important thing, the barrel needs to be crowned at a (the) tight spot. He would have me slug a good barrel so I could feel how they should feel. He would find the tight spot near the end of the barrel blank and mark it's position and then cut and crown the barrel right there. I have personally witnessed him slug a batch of barrels he received from a very noted custom barrel maker and reject every barrel due to them having their tight spot in the middle of the barrel. This swags the bullet down to the size of that tight spot and the bullet is then smaller than the bore at the crown. A very noted gunsmith has said many times that he would know when factory rifle makers were getting serious about accuracy when their barrel lengths varied due to them being crowned at a tight spot in the bore rather than at some predetermined set length. Since your FIL has a machine shop, slug that barrel and see where the tight and loose spots are. When my smith installed a new barrel on my rifle I wouldn't know before hand whether it was going to be 22" 24" or 26" or somewhere in-between. So long as it shot extremely well, I didn't care how long or short it ended up being.
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