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Old May 27th, 2016, 01:48 PM   #1
 
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Gunsite Scout scope recommendations

I am considering a Ruger Scout rifle and have looked at several options for the glass. Hi-Lux, Burris, Vortex. Anyone have a reason for one over the others?
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Old May 27th, 2016, 04:47 PM   #2
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I have a Vortex Diamondback 4-12x on mine. Excellent scope, very tough with crystal clear glass and under $200 to boot.
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Oldmann6, it's a GSR, so put a long eye relief scope on the rail. I had a Hi-Lux, nice scope for $140. I currently use a Nikon Force ER 2.5-8x pistol scope. Very clear and bright, cost runs about $270.
Having the BDC lines comes in handy for quick shooting at longer range.
I believe the Hi-Lux now comes with a BDc reticle as well.
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I have a Burris MTAC 1-4 x 24mm on mine - in the traditional scope spot.
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Leupold 2-7x32 VX-1. Really like this set up.
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My GSR is a classic scout set up with a Leupold FX-II 2.5 x 28mm, fixed power, intermediate eye relief, Scout Scope on Leupold QRW low rings, on the rail. If you mount your scope in the conventional position like Mattusmc in the photo above, there is no reason to buy the GSR. Might as well buy a rifle that doesn't have the scout rail on it.
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My GSR is a classic scout set up with a Leupold FX-II 2.5 x 28mm, fixed power, intermediate eye relief, Scout Scope on Leupold QRW low rings, on the rail. If you mount your scope in the conventional position like Mattusmc in the photo above, there is no reason to buy the GSR. Might as well buy a rifle that doesn't have the scout rail on it.
Short, handy rifle with a threaded muzzle and detachable mag? Reason enough for me. I didn't get it for the scout rail which promptly came off.
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Short, handy rifle with a threaded muzzle and detachable mag? Reason enough for me. I didn't get it for the scout rail which promptly came off.
+1, this rifle has plenty to offer besides that rail.
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I would use a 1.5x5 vx 2 leupold. You do not need that much magnification.
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Leupold 2-7x32 VX-1. Really like this set up.
My setup is exactly the same, up to and including the specs on the scope, except my scope is a Nikon Prostaff.

I just recently took the scope off because I wanted to see how well I could do with just the irons. It would make the rifle a whole lot more handy, and the simplicity has some appeal to me.
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My GSR is a classic scout set up with a Leupold FX-II 2.5 x 28mm, fixed power, intermediate eye relief, Scout Scope on Leupold QRW low rings, on the rail. If you mount your scope in the conventional position like Mattusmc in the photo above, there is no reason to buy the GSR. Might as well buy a rifle that doesn't have the scout rail on it.
I agree. There really are great options out there for traditionally scoped rifles, that offer plenty more accuracy than the GSR. Accuracy would seem the main reason for a scope right up on your shooting eye... at least to me.

The GSR shines with the forward mounted IER scope. The rifle is meant to be used on the move at ranges out to 300 yds. It is supposed to be very fast to employ and put multiple hits on target.
Mounting a traditional scope over the action slows you down, tunnels your vision and is not good for quick "danger" shots...and is thus counter to the purist's employment of the GSR.

Additionally, the true scout scope should weigh not more than half a pound or so. Therefore it likely will need to be the fixed variety. These are better for the quick shot utility anyway. Burris and Leupold each offer a scope that fits those criteria. You want the overall weight of the rifle to be rather light and thereby portable, able to be held in the various ready positions for some time, and for very quick handling. A 12 oz adjustable is just not that great for this application.
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0311INF, I agree with everything you said. But I can't see how having a scope right up against your eye makes the rig more accurate. I get the same sight picture whether the scope is 3 inches from my eye or 8 inches from my eye.
But a GSR with a conventional scope does slow you down, and gives tunnel vision.
The late Col. Cooper knew his stuff.
There are some bolt rifles that are more accurate than the GSR, but for being a 16 inch barrel carbine, I can't complain. Ruger makes some good barrels.
Mine, with 168 grain A Max, loaded with IMR-4895 in new Lake City cases, will consistently group 3/4" for 5 shots at 100 yards. With occasional groups that are 5/8th's. I settled on 40.0 grains for "the load". That might seem low, but I am using G.I. brass which is thicker.
I loaded 500 rounds of that load, and practice from various positions at ranges from 50 to 500 yards.

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0311INF, I agree with everything you said. But I can't see how having a scope right up against your eye makes the rig more accurate. I get the same sight picture whether the scope is 3 inches from my eye or 8 inches from my eye.
But a GSR with a conventional scope does slow you down, and gives tunnel vision.
The late Col. Cooper knew his stuff.
There are some bolt rifles that are more accurate than the GSR, but for being a 16 inch barrel carbine, I can't complain. Ruger makes some good barrels.
Mine, with 168 grain A Max, loaded with IMR-4895 in new Lake City cases, will consistently group 3/4" for 5 shots at 100 yards. With occasional groups that are 5/8th's. I settled on 40.0 grains for "the load". That might seem low, but I am using G.I. brass which is thicker.
I loaded 500 rounds of that load, and practice from various positions at ranges from 50 to 500 yards.
That's some good shooting! Good to know that the GSR (at least yours) is capable of that. I think many are, but the GSR is not known primarily for any inherent sub-MOA capabilities.

My point about the scope mounting and accuracy is not so much mechanical accuracy or sight picture, but rather utility. With a scout scope (which is not a requirement for a scout rifle anyway), is that its purpose isn't sub MOA target shooting, though clearly that's possible. The scope in the scout configuration is largely just a tool to get on target at 100 yards or more, and to take a quick vitals shot at that distance. It also allows for close up target acquisition since it allows for both eyes open, thus being capable for a personal defense situation, whether by man or animal. Additionally it is far better for fast moving targets, at close or long range.
In my mind, the traditional scope setup is what one would prefer for longer range shooting, target shooting, etc, where a slow aimed shot is the whole point, and certainly not useful for immediate close range surprises. Again the scout scope can be used this way, but for me, if I needed to take a 500 yard shot I would rather have a bigger adjustable with high magnification attached to a 20+ inch barreled hunting rifle in the standard configuration. It's not necessarily more accurate, but it is easier to be accurate with it from the shooter's standpoint, and it will push that bullet farther out with more energy.
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I have to agree with Sandog on this scope discussion. A forward mounted scope with both eyes open is faster and more than accurate enough to get the job done.

"if I needed to take a 500 yard shot " I am trying to come up with a reason to need to take a 500 yard shot other than some game for points. In that light there are a bunch of folks that show up at Camp Perry every year that shoot at 1000 yards with iron sights and make MOA compensated groups as good as Sandog's in the photo above.

A scope does not make a rifle more accurate it just helps you see better some times that is required most times it's not.

Being a good shot makes more small groups or more important hits on your target than any style scope.

A forward mounted IER Scout scope is all you need to make hits. The rest is practice. If you add time constraints to the equation the Scout scope seems to work best. If you use it right.

The GSR has good irons that with a bit of paint on the front sight to make it pop out will do just fine at 500 or farther if you can.

JMHO that and $5.00 will get you a cup of coffee at one of those fancy coffee shops.

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If I may chime in, I'm inclined to agree with you guys about the utility of this fine little rifle. I've had a scope on mine, traditionally mounted, and had the worst of both worlds, in my opinion. It was heavier than it should be, certainly not as fast, and less accurate than say, a 26" barreled Remington 700 varmint rifle would be. This isn't meant to be a settle in and snipe rifle. It's a run and gun rifle.

I took off the Nikon, and put the irons back on. It's now light, fast, and the sights seem very capable to me. I did throw on an old Bushnell red dot, forward mount, tonight, just to play around with it a little, but I see that sight coming back off.

I really don't see any reason this rifle wouldn't be a minute-of-coyote rifle out to 300 yards with the provided peep/post sights.

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